Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

The article:

* Legacies
* Children of faculty or donors
* URMs
* First gen
* Students from upscale private schools
* Top 1% of applicants

Reaction from DCUM parents when their kid gets rejected or wait listed at a selective college:

* URM!!!
*First gen!!!

Perhas because statistically that’s all the AOs care about. They wish the other categories would go away

You're ridiculous. The white student population at every ivy is larger than any other ethnicity. Don't be grumpy that you don't get ALL of the spots.

THANK YOU for pointing this out. The way some people post here, you'd think these colleges are full of non-white kids. It's clear when you tour that the majority of spots are still going to white kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

The article:

* Legacies
* Children of faculty or donors
* URMs
* First gen
* Students from upscale private schools
* Top 1% of applicants

Reaction from DCUM parents when their kid gets rejected or wait listed at a selective college:

* URM!!!
*First gen!!!

Perhas because statistically that’s all the AOs care about. They wish the other categories would go away

You're ridiculous. The white student population at every ivy is larger than any other ethnicity. Don't be grumpy that you don't get ALL of the spots.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get Counseling and soon. It's over. Your kid will be fine at Tech. It's not the end of the world.
Seriously get over this.

NP. My kid (and I) would be thrilled if they got into VT. Not sure who you’re talking to?

Same here. My DS with a 1% score would've like to go but VT waitlisted him.

Along with lots of other kids in 1-2%. It happens everywhere as there are not enough spaces at elite schools for “qualified” kids

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get Counseling and soon. It's over. Your kid will be fine at Tech. It's not the end of the world.
Seriously get over this.

NP. My kid (and I) would be thrilled if they got into VT. Not sure who you’re talking to?

Same here. My DS with a 1% score would've like to go but VT waitlisted him.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

The article:

* Legacies
* Children of faculty or donors
* URMs
* First gen
* Students from upscale private schools
* Top 1% of applicants

Reaction from DCUM parents when their kid gets rejected or wait listed at a selective college:

* URM!!!
*First gen!!!

Oh stop. We complain about athletes and legacies all the damn time.

Not really. And definitely not more than complaining about URMs/ First Gens.

Why?

Because legacy and athlete preferences in highly selective college admissions disproportionately benefit white applicants.

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

The article:

* Legacies
* Children of faculty or donors
* URMs
* First gen
* Students from upscale private schools
* Top 1% of applicants

Reaction from DCUM parents when their kid gets rejected or wait listed at a selective college:

* URM!!!
*First gen!!!

Oh stop. We complain about athletes and legacies all the damn time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hmm.

The article:

* Legacies
* Children of faculty or donors
* URMs
* First gen
* Students from upscale private schools
* Top 1% of applicants

Reaction from DCUM parents when their kid gets rejected or wait listed at a selective college:

* URM!!!
*First gen!!!

Perhas because statistically that’s all the AOs care about. They wish the other categories would go away

what does this sentence even mean? How does this give you insight into what AOs care about?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickhess/2022/06/13/pulling-back-the-veil-on-college-admissions/?sh=35bfd2283bc6


"Indeed, Goldstein says that the only populations with non-trivial odds of admission at these colleges are athletes, legacies, children of faculty or donors, certain racial minorities, first generation college students, students from upscale private schools, and those whose academic records put them in the top one percent of applicants. About half of all admitted students belong to one of those preferred groups.

Most everyone else (for whom the acceptance rate is about 2%) might be better off saving their admissions fees."

I disagree with the bolded. It should be "those whose academic records put them in the top one percent of one percent of applicants.". Academics will help with not getting cut but after that all the social engineering BS kicks in to eliminate a lot of the Asian and White kids with no strings.

And that is a good thing, honestly. I would not want my kid attending school with only white/asian kids. I (and my kids) want diversity. That means ethnic diversity, social diversity, socioeconomic diversity, major diversity, etc. Makes the world a more exciting place. We recognize that we are privileged and not everyone has those advantages in life.

Similarly, I recognize that my DD had an advantage applying to college as a STEM/Engineering major. She probably got acceptances places where the "similar male" did not, simply because most good engineering programs are looking to improve M/F ratio. So that means more females will get acceptances than males, in hopes of yielding closer to 50/50. It also means she likely got additional merit at several schools simply by being a female. That's life and it's a good thing as we work towards equity for everyone on many levels.

Yes, being a white or asian, upper middle class/rich male has some disadvantages in the college process. But that kid has had so many advantages in life in their 18 years simply because of that. I for one want to help URM and first gen kids find their way to a great college and onto doing amazing things in life. That benefits society as a whole. And I wouldn't want my kid to attend a university made up of 100% white/asian, rich kids---that would be depressing and boring.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting in what sense? There is literally nothing here that isn't discussed on this forum on a daily basis.

Yet the DCUM crowd ( my UMC suburban FCPS kid with the 1500 SAT and 4.0 GPA is awesome!) still chases the fool's gold.

I guess it's like playing the lottery.

I believe that's the top 1% of college applicants.

Test score wise, for the T20 or so the DCUM crowd covets, 1500 is commonplace. 1550+ is the separator for the "top 1%"

You already know about weighted GPAs, AP classes, etc.

4.0 is quite common.

According to College Board, a score of 1450 is still top 1%. Here's an interesting list of colleges by median SAT percentile that shows that most people's perception of the differences between top colleges is pretty skewed.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/3/

That is why your kid will be just fine at a school with an average 1400 SAT score. Still really smart people, in some cases equally smart, the kids just didn't have the $$$ to spend on endless test prep and instead focused on enjoying HS and actually learning for the fun of learning. My own kid hit 1490 with 4 hours of test prep and said "I'm done". Sure, another 20 hours of intense prep might have gotten 1540+, but at what cost (financially and mentally/emotionally)? Still going to a T30 school that is the perfect fit for them and much happier that last summer wasn't spent in SAT test prep

Don't be naive. There are a bunch of UMC families shelling out thousands to get 1400 SAT scores.

Don't really understand the point of your post. There are many people who shell out $$$ for test prep, and sports, and various EC, and college counselors (we did $3K, but some spend $10k+). Many of those are not URM---many are wealthy white, privileged, entitled kids as well.
The point is that there is not much difference between a 1540 and a 1400---both are really smart people. I'd rather have the 1400 person who works their ass off than the 1540 one who doesn't. And if both work hard, I'd be happy to hire either. Everyone has their plusses and minuses. Smarter on tests does not indicate smarter/better overall. Life would be boring if you were only surrounded yourself with replicas of yourself.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickhess/2022/06/13/pulling-back-the-veil-on-college-admissions/?sh=35bfd2283bc6


"Indeed, Goldstein says that the only populations with non-trivial odds of admission at these colleges are athletes, legacies, children of faculty or donors, certain racial minorities, first generation college students, students from upscale private schools, and those whose academic records put them in the top one percent of applicants. About half of all admitted students belong to one of those preferred groups.

Most everyone else (for whom the acceptance rate is about 2%) might be better off saving their admissions fees."

I disagree with the bolded. It should be "those whose academic records put them in the top one percent of one percent of applicants.". Academics will help with not getting cut but after that all the social engineering BS kicks in to eliminate a lot of the Asian and White kids with no strings.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting in what sense? There is literally nothing here that isn't discussed on this forum on a daily basis.

Yet the DCUM crowd ( my UMC suburban FCPS kid with the 1500 SAT and 4.0 GPA is awesome!) still chases the fool's gold.

I guess it's like playing the lottery.

I believe that's the top 1% of college applicants.

Test score wise, for the T20 or so the DCUM crowd covets, 1500 is commonplace. 1550+ is the separator for the "top 1%"

You already know about weighted GPAs, AP classes, etc.

4.0 is quite common.

According to College Board, a score of 1450 is still top 1%. Here's an interesting list of colleges by median SAT percentile that shows that most people's perception of the differences between top colleges is pretty skewed.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/3/

That is why your kid will be just fine at a school with an average 1400 SAT score. Still really smart people, in some cases equally smart, the kids just didn't have the $$$ to spend on endless test prep and instead focused on enjoying HS and actually learning for the fun of learning. My own kid hit 1490 with 4 hours of test prep and said "I'm done". Sure, another 20 hours of intense prep might have gotten 1540+, but at what cost (financially and mentally/emotionally)? Still going to a T30 school that is the perfect fit for them and much happier that last summer wasn't spent in SAT test prep

Don't be naive. There are a bunch of UMC families shelling out thousands to get 1400 SAT scores.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting in what sense? There is literally nothing here that isn't discussed on this forum on a daily basis.

Yet the DCUM crowd ( my UMC suburban FCPS kid with the 1500 SAT and 4.0 GPA is awesome!) still chases the fool's gold.

I guess it's like playing the lottery.

I believe that's the top 1% of college applicants.

Test score wise, for the T20 or so the DCUM crowd covets, 1500 is commonplace. 1550+ is the separator for the "top 1%"

You already know about weighted GPAs, AP classes, etc.

4.0 is quite common.

According to College Board, a score of 1450 is still top 1%. Here's an interesting list of colleges by median SAT percentile that shows that most people's perception of the differences between top colleges is pretty skewed.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/page/3/

That is why your kid will be just fine at a school with an average 1400 SAT score. Still really smart people, in some cases equally smart, the kids just didn't have the $$$ to spend on endless test prep and instead focused on enjoying HS and actually learning for the fun of learning. My own kid hit 1490 with 4 hours of test prep and said "I'm done". Sure, another 20 hours of intense prep might have gotten 1540+, but at what cost (financially and mentally/emotionally)? Still going to a T30 school that is the perfect fit for them and much happier that last summer wasn't spent in SAT test prep

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting in what sense? There is literally nothing here that isn't discussed on this forum on a daily basis.

Yet the DCUM crowd ( my UMC suburban FCPS kid with the 1500 SAT and 4.0 GPA is awesome!) still chases the fool's gold.

I guess it's like playing the lottery.

Yes it is like the lottery. Because only 5%+/- get in. And 98% have the scores/resume to buy a lottery ticket. So even if you are URM or first gen, you are still in competition, just not as much. When 40K apply for 1500 seats, it will be like a lottery if you are not Hooked (like most people), and even then there is not guarantee.

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article:


https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederickhess/2022/06/13/pulling-back-the-veil-on-college-admissions/?sh=35bfd2283bc6


"Indeed, Goldstein says that the only populations with non-trivial odds of admission at these colleges are athletes, legacies, children of faculty or donors, certain racial minorities, first generation college students, students from upscale private schools, and those whose academic records put them in the top one percent of applicants. About half of all admitted students belong to one of those preferred groups.

Most everyone else (for whom the acceptance rate is about 2%) might be better off saving their admissions fees."

Admission decisions are done. Try again next year. Move on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Get Counseling and soon. It's over. Your kid will be fine at Tech. It's not the end of the world.
Seriously get over this.

N[b]P. My kid (and I) would be thrilled if they got into VT. Not sure who you’re talking to?

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+1 They are either old and don't know how difficult it is to get into tech, especially if you are from Nova, TJ and/or white with high scores, or they are just ignorant. Lots of college kids on here trolling for reactions.