Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:53     Subject: Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
The Russians are funding the NRA and anti gun control legislation as a way to tear this country apart. They can’t bear us at the high end. This is their strategy.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:50     Subject: Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would bet the majority of Texans could find a way right now to defend having guns in their homes, their vehicles and on their person.

I would also bet there are still millions of Americans right now who think it's okay to buy and own AR-15s.


If I lived in TX I'd want a gun too. But, this is far deeper than guns. If it wasn't guns they could have used another style weapon.


I’m Canadian, so I don’t really have the love for guns like it seems many Americans do, but what other weapon can be easily accessed ans can raze a roomful of children in moments? Maybe you guys have weapons that we don’t, other than guns? Even the most dramatic of knives doesn’t kill like that.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:35     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Everyplace has troubled young men. Every place does not have republican policies allowing them to buy assault rifles.


If they didn't buy them legally, they just would buy illegal ones or find another option. Guns are not the problem, people are.


Ok, so what’s your solution for fixing the people? Or preventing people from doing horrible things like this?

Mental health services? Family services? Support for low income areas and families? Requiring mental health evaluations before purchasing any dangerous supplies (guns or otherwise)? If people are the problem, what do you propose we do about it?
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:33     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Wrong. As long as the republicans resist any attempts to legislate legal gun controls, then they are to blame. And they are aiding and abetting the murder of children in schools. They keep harping on mental health issues. The reports say that this "very troubled young man" had no reported mental health issues. Trying to blame mental health issues is like saying that the man who pushed a person off a boat wasn't the murderer, the boat was.

We need to start legislating common sense gun controls. There needs to be better background checks and waiting periods. There need to be licensing that involves classes. We require people to take driving lessons and get licensed to drive a car, the same should be done for guns. Lessons should talk about proper storage (including locked gun storage) especially with kids in the home. As long as Republicans consistently block any attempts at legislation, then they are to blame for allowing lax gun regulation that allows for these situations to happen. They actively block any attempts to provide safety in the system to prevent events like Uvaldi. So they should bear the blame when their lack of any type of control or regulation allows these events to happen.


Anytime someone inserts mental health into a gun violence conversation, they either know very well they are deflecting and distracting, or they're too stupid and ignorant to know they've been had by others who have done the same thing.

Shut down the mental health debate and refocus on gun control laws. There is no mental health issue. The problem is access to guns. The average person cannot be trusted with a gun. A large portion of firearm deaths result from accidental discharge inside average people's homes.


Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:32     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Strategies like the OP’s may be our only hope. Gun rights people need their selfishness called out and exposed…by family members, colleagues, followers. Their movement is facilitating the executions of children. I’m not saying we should shame responsible gun owners or hunters. But NRA enthusiasts and gun show attendees? People who have personal arsenals? Gun lobbysits? Those who proudly want assault weapons on the consumer market? Yes. Shaming them is the only way forward. Their proclivities need to be seen as niche, cruel, greedy and most of all *backwards*.

We’ve made huge societal strides on issues as varied as corporal punishment in schools, animal welfare and gay rights. Public perception must change and it can begin within families, painful as that may be.


I agree.

And my family owns guns for hunting. None of us belong to any gun-related organization. We are anti-gun lobby and want strict gun control. We do not vote for idiots who are bought and sold by the NRA or who associate themselves with gun rights.

The step is a gun ban. We are OK with that.


Thank you for being responsible.

What would you think about requiring that people who want to hunt be required to obtain guns from a state-run repository at a hunting range, use them for hunting, and then return them?

I understand that’s not feasible for people like farmers, who need to use guns regularly to deal with animals that threaten their crops, but it would seem that controlling the guns used for hunting is potentially possible.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:29     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:Strategies like the OP’s may be our only hope. Gun rights people need their selfishness called out and exposed…by family members, colleagues, followers. Their movement is facilitating the executions of children. I’m not saying we should shame responsible gun owners or hunters. But NRA enthusiasts and gun show attendees? People who have personal arsenals? Gun lobbysits? Those who proudly want assault weapons on the consumer market? Yes. Shaming them is the only way forward. Their proclivities need to be seen as niche, cruel, greedy and most of all *backwards*.

We’ve made huge societal strides on issues as varied as corporal punishment in schools, animal welfare and gay rights. Public perception must change and it can begin within families, painful as that may be.


I agree.

And my family owns guns for hunting. None of us belong to any gun-related organization. We are anti-gun lobby and want strict gun control. We do not vote for idiots who are bought and sold by the NRA or who associate themselves with gun rights.

The step is a gun ban. We are OK with that.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:26     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Wrong. As long as the republicans resist any attempts to legislate legal gun controls, then they are to blame. And they are aiding and abetting the murder of children in schools. They keep harping on mental health issues. The reports say that this "very troubled young man" had no reported mental health issues. Trying to blame mental health issues is like saying that the man who pushed a person off a boat wasn't the murderer, the boat was.

We need to start legislating common sense gun controls. There needs to be better background checks and waiting periods. There need to be licensing that involves classes. We require people to take driving lessons and get licensed to drive a car, the same should be done for guns. Lessons should talk about proper storage (including locked gun storage) especially with kids in the home. As long as Republicans consistently block any attempts at legislation, then they are to blame for allowing lax gun regulation that allows for these situations to happen. They actively block any attempts to provide safety in the system to prevent events like Uvaldi. So they should bear the blame when their lack of any type of control or regulation allows these events to happen.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:25     Subject: Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would bet the majority of Texans could find a way right now to defend having guns in their homes, their vehicles and on their person.

I would also bet there are still millions of Americans right now who think it's okay to buy and own AR-15s.


If I lived in TX I'd want a gun too. But, this is far deeper than guns. If it wasn't guns they could have used another style weapon.


Wow, you're really trotting out all the talking points, aren't you?
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:25     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Everyplace has troubled young men. Every place does not have republican policies allowing them to buy assault rifles.


If they didn't buy them legally, they just would buy illegal ones or find another option. Guns are not the problem, people are.


Then explain to me how the US has so many more homicides and mass shootings than other countries. How come people in England/France/Germany/Denmark/Sweden/Australia/etc etc etc aren’t finding guns and shooting up schools at the same rate as they are in the USA?


Simple - culture and parenting.


I see — please be specific as to how all of those countries’ culture and parenting prevent them from having mass school shootings.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:24     Subject: Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:I would bet the majority of Texans could find a way right now to defend having guns in their homes, their vehicles and on their person.

I would also bet there are still millions of Americans right now who think it's okay to buy and own AR-15s.


If I lived in TX I'd want a gun too. But, this is far deeper than guns. If it wasn't guns they could have used another style weapon.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:24     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Everyplace has troubled young men. Every place does not have republican policies allowing them to buy assault rifles.


If they didn't buy them legally, they just would buy illegal ones or find another option. Guns are not the problem, people are.


This is (i) unknowable, and (ii) a convenient excuse for doing nothing. Also, that apparently hasn't happened in the numerous other countries which have stringent gun control laws.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:24     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
I applaud you OP. It’s hard to do but it’s right.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:24     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Everyplace has troubled young men. Every place does not have republican policies allowing them to buy assault rifles.


If they didn't buy them legally, they just would buy illegal ones or find another option. Guns are not the problem, people are.


Then explain to me how the US has so many more homicides and mass shootings than other countries. How come people in England/France/Germany/Denmark/Sweden/Australia/etc etc etc aren’t finding guns and shooting up schools at the same rate as they are in the USA?


Simple - culture and parenting.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:23     Subject: Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
I would bet the majority of Texans could find a way right now to defend having guns in their homes, their vehicles and on their person.

I would also bet there are still millions of Americans right now who think it's okay to buy and own AR-15s.
Anonymous
Post 05/25/2022 16:21     Subject: Re:Cutting off all communication with NRA sister
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’ve distanced myself from my gun loving family. I’m polite. I’ll attend family gatherings. But I’ve lost all respect for them. As far as I’m concerned, if you voted Republican, you killed those babies.


Stop blaming republicans. They didn't kill those kids. This was a very troubled young man who didn't get the help he needed from his parents/family, school and community. Lets start there.


Everyplace has troubled young men. Every place does not have republican policies allowing them to buy assault rifles.


If they didn't buy them legally, they just would buy illegal ones or find another option. Guns are not the problem, people are.


Then explain to me how the US has so many more homicides and mass shootings than other countries. How come people in England/France/Germany/Denmark/Sweden/Australia/etc etc etc aren’t finding guns and shooting up schools at the same rate as they are in the USA?