Anonymous
05/20/2022 17:38
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The magnet program lottery shows how MCPS manipulates with a lack of transparency. All students deserve access to enriching and challenging curriculum. It shouldn’t be a quota or luck to have the opportunity.
I don't see how a lottery of the students testing in the upper percentile is unethical. There are limited seats in criteria-based magnet programs. The complaint seems to be why MCPS isn't admitting only the students in the 98 or 99 percentile. Widening the percentile range a little bit incorporates more diverse groups - I don't see anything wrong with that. Those groups don't necessarily have the funds, time, or knowledge to help their DCs reach the top 1 or 2 percent. To only admit the top 1 or 2% actually seems more unethical to me because it would guarantee the exclusion of the less represented groups.
Or, create more programs within each school so kids who are in the 90%+ percentile get their needs met. There is no reason not to create one gifted class in each grade in ES at each ES school AND same for MS and HS. Stop calling everything honest and make regular and honors classes. By not having regular classes you hurt regular kids as well.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 17:10
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ but does a better job than MOST public school systems in the nation. It's just disappointing when the best system can't quite get it together...
False. What ethically system pays 11 million in outside counsel to fight the families of children who just want their IEP implemented. (2017 figures from MCPS) We were in four systems for my dyslexic — 3 public and one private). MCPS was by a long mile the least ethical and the most scammy.
Comes down to culture I think.
A place where wealthy families also spend millions on private diagnoses for imaginary ailments?
Anonymous
05/20/2022 14:23
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many hiring practices are unethical and rigged to get a desired outcome.
Is it any wonder why teachers are leaving MCPS in record numbers?
NP, not an MCPS booster, but this is happening all over the country. It's not just MCPS.
If MCPS would fix the unreasonable demands placed on teachers, then perhaps teachers would stay. To say “it’s not just MCPS” is a cop out. Be a better institution so you can attract talent.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 12:15
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many hiring practices are unethical and rigged to get a desired outcome.
Is it any wonder why teachers are leaving MCPS in record numbers?
NP, not an MCPS booster, but this is happening all over the country. It's not just MCPS.
This may be true, but even some of the MCPS directors are telling principals they supervise to get out, because they know that it's a complete mess.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 11:29
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many hiring practices are unethical and rigged to get a desired outcome.
Is it any wonder why teachers are leaving MCPS in record numbers?
NP, not an MCPS booster, but this is happening all over the country. It's not just MCPS.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 11:05
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The magnet program lottery shows how MCPS manipulates with a lack of transparency. All students deserve access to enriching and challenging curriculum. It shouldn’t be a quota or luck to have the opportunity.
I don't see how a lottery of the students testing in the upper percentile is unethical. There are limited seats in criteria-based magnet programs. The complaint seems to be why MCPS isn't admitting only the students in the 98 or 99 percentile. Widening the percentile range a little bit incorporates more diverse groups - I don't see anything wrong with that. Those groups don't necessarily have the funds, time, or knowledge to help their DCs reach the top 1 or 2 percent. To only admit the top 1 or 2% actually seems more unethical to me because it would guarantee the exclusion of the less represented groups.
I agree with you completely; however, I would criticize the artificial scarcity these programs create. They can simply expand them to serve more students. This doesn't have to be the hunger games. I care more about students and outcomes than appealing to some snooty parent who feels its elite.
+1 There's a crying need to expand accelerated programs at home schools and to expand magnet programs. Wish they would have an accelerated program for 2nd and 3rd grade as well.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 10:56
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The magnet program lottery shows how MCPS manipulates with a lack of transparency. All students deserve access to enriching and challenging curriculum. It shouldn’t be a quota or luck to have the opportunity.
I don't see how a lottery of the students testing in the upper percentile is unethical. There are limited seats in criteria-based magnet programs. The complaint seems to be why MCPS isn't admitting only the students in the 98 or 99 percentile. Widening the percentile range a little bit incorporates more diverse groups - I don't see anything wrong with that. Those groups don't necessarily have the funds, time, or knowledge to help their DCs reach the top 1 or 2 percent. To only admit the top 1 or 2% actually seems more unethical to me because it would guarantee the exclusion of the less represented groups.
I agree with you completely; however, I would criticize the artificial scarcity these programs create. They can simply expand them to serve more students. This doesn't have to be the hunger games. I care more about students and outcomes than appealing to some snooty parent who feels its elite.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 10:44
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:The magnet program lottery shows how MCPS manipulates with a lack of transparency. All students deserve access to enriching and challenging curriculum. It shouldn’t be a quota or luck to have the opportunity.
I don't see how a lottery of the students testing in the upper percentile is unethical. There are limited seats in criteria-based magnet programs. The complaint seems to be why MCPS isn't admitting only the students in the 98 or 99 percentile. Widening the percentile range a little bit incorporates more diverse groups - I don't see anything wrong with that. Those groups don't necessarily have the funds, time, or knowledge to help their DCs reach the top 1 or 2 percent. To only admit the top 1 or 2% actually seems more unethical to me because it would guarantee the exclusion of the less represented groups.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 10:14
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ but does a better job than MOST public school systems in the nation. It's just disappointing when the best system can't quite get it together...
False. What ethically system pays 11 million in outside counsel to fight the families of children who just want their IEP implemented. (2017 figures from MCPS) We were in four systems for my dyslexic — 3 public and one private). MCPS was by a long mile the least ethical and the most scammy.
Comes down to culture I think.
Start with the Resolution and Compliance Unit. The focus is not to help MCPS schools be compliant. It has long been an office design to deny student services and limit compensatory services when MCPS is found to be non-compliant. There’s no proactive function of the office to improve the education of students with disabilities in MCPS.
Nah - we just bailed for a better system. So much easier than fighting a system that is corrupted. Only have one kid and we got the MCPS t-shirt! Life for my kid got so much better the moment we moved.
And yet here you are, posting on MCPS forum.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 10:05
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Need an inspector general for MCPS!
Anonymous
05/20/2022 10:05
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ but does a better job than MOST public school systems in the nation. It's just disappointing when the best system can't quite get it together...
False. What ethically system pays 11 million in outside counsel to fight the families of children who just want their IEP implemented. (2017 figures from MCPS) We were in four systems for my dyslexic — 3 public and one private). MCPS was by a long mile the least ethical and the most scammy.
Comes down to culture I think.
Start with the Resolution and Compliance Unit. The focus is not to help MCPS schools be compliant. It has long been an office design to deny student services and limit compensatory services when MCPS is found to be non-compliant. There’s no proactive function of the office to improve the education of students with disabilities in MCPS.
Nah - we just bailed for a better system. So much easier than fighting a system that is corrupted. Only have one kid and we got the MCPS t-shirt! Life for my kid got so much better the moment we moved.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 09:49
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:both these kids in your example should be taught at their own level in their home school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The magnet program lottery shows how MCPS manipulates with a lack of transparency. All students deserve access to enriching and challenging curriculum. It shouldn’t be a quota or luck to have the opportunity.
So if a challenging kindergarten curriculum for your kindergarten kid assumes kids have been reading for at least a year means that my kid, who does not know his letters, must struggle and not learn? My kid needs the opportunity to learn at the appropriate level just as the high performers do.
I have twins. Before entering k, one knew to read chapter books & higher level of math , and the one did not know all letters and numbers. One kid is bored and the other kid finds it okay. And, both went to the same daycare/preschool for a few years before entering k. One kid is going to be bored for many years.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 09:48
Subject: Re:Ethics of MCPS
What would it look like for a school system to be "ethical and fair"? There are 160K students and 25K staff in MCPS, all with different needs to be met.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 08:45
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^ but does a better job than MOST public school systems in the nation. It's just disappointing when the best system can't quite get it together...
False. What ethically system pays 11 million in outside counsel to fight the families of children who just want their IEP implemented. (2017 figures from MCPS) We were in four systems for my dyslexic — 3 public and one private). MCPS was by a long mile the least ethical and the most scammy.
Comes down to culture I think.
Start with the Resolution and Compliance Unit. The focus is not to help MCPS schools be compliant. It has long been an office design to deny student services and limit compensatory services when MCPS is found to be non-compliant. There’s no proactive function of the office to improve the education of students with disabilities in MCPS.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 08:38
Subject: Ethics of MCPS
Anonymous wrote:^ but does a better job than MOST public school systems in the nation. It's just disappointing when the best system can't quite get it together...
False. What ethically system pays 11 million in outside counsel to fight the families of children who just want their IEP implemented. (2017 figures from MCPS) We were in four systems for my dyslexic — 3 public and one private). MCPS was by a long mile the least ethical and the most scammy.
Comes down to culture I think.