Anonymous
05/21/2022 16:36
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Still uses fossil fuels, nuclear, and whatever is powering the electrical grid that it needs to run. So there's that.
You mean the solar panels on top of my house?
Do you have a battery to store solar energy?
Which state are you in?
Anonymous
05/21/2022 15:51
Subject: Re:"The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
It will be great for farm and ranch trucks.
Anonymous
05/21/2022 08:54
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Still uses fossil fuels, nuclear, and whatever is powering the electrical grid that it needs to run. So there's that.
You mean the solar panels on top of my house?
Anonymous
05/21/2022 08:05
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Still uses fossil fuels, nuclear, and whatever is powering the electrical grid that it needs to run. So there's that.
Anonymous
05/21/2022 06:59
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
No the mileage is 300 with 2,000 pound in the bed. Without a load it’s likely 400 plus.
No one is getting 400+.
It’s 320 without the load. But that’s unrealistic for real-world driving.
They’ll be lucky to get 300.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 18:23
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
No the mileage is 300 with 2,000 pound in the bed. Without a load it’s likely 400 plus.
Anonymous
05/20/2022 18:18
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Workers drive those white vans without windows - that’s not changing until those vans become ev. However…the lightening will be a huge seller due to performance metrics, utility, etc.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:50
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Hang out at any construction site in the city at 7am as workers are showing up. Most "construction workers" aren't driving pickup trucks of any kind, certainly not new ones. All new trucks are for "site managers and above" and lawyers, doctors, tech bros.
There are a gazillion subs who drive trucks.
I don't really think of my skilled trades as "construction workers" but maybe I'm missing how PP was using the term.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:48
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Hang out at any construction site in the city at 7am as workers are showing up. Most "construction workers" aren't driving pickup trucks of any kind, certainly not new ones. All new trucks are for "site managers and above" and lawyers, doctors, tech bros.
There are a gazillion subs who drive trucks.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:47
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I actually agree. The most popular vehicle in America available as an EV that can do some really cool things (power a house, incredible torque, etc.)? Yes please.
Doubters tend to focus on very narrow use cases. "Well, the contractor who lives 100 miles from his worksite and doesn't have supplemental generators is going to have an issue." But the thing is, the ICE F-150 isn't a niche vehicle. There's no single use case for the ICE F-150. Is it used by actual "hands on tools" contractors? Sure. By site managers? Sure. By young bros who think trucks are cool? Absolutely. By middle aged men who think they need a truck because they go to Home Depot once a month? Yeah. By people who want a truck bed for their sports equipment, or to do some car camping? Of course.
The versatility is what makes the ICE F-150 so popular. This adds the "cool" of EVs to that without the nerd factor, and with some features that all of those categories I described will find something arguably useful about.
I think it will be more appealing for all of that when it has better range.
It can be a game changer - once that fix that flaw.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:44
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Hang out at any construction site in the city at 7am as workers are showing up. Most "construction workers" aren't driving pickup trucks of any kind, certainly not new ones. All new trucks are for "site managers and above" and lawyers, doctors, tech bros.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 17:42
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Yeah, I actually agree. The most popular vehicle in America available as an EV that can do some really cool things (power a house, incredible torque, etc.)? Yes please.
Doubters tend to focus on very narrow use cases. "Well, the contractor who lives 100 miles from his worksite and doesn't have supplemental generators is going to have an issue." But the thing is, the ICE F-150 isn't a niche vehicle. There's no single use case for the ICE F-150. Is it used by actual "hands on tools" contractors? Sure. By site managers? Sure. By young bros who think trucks are cool? Absolutely. By middle aged men who think they need a truck because they go to Home Depot once a month? Yeah. By people who want a truck bed for their sports equipment, or to do some car camping? Of course.
The versatility is what makes the ICE F-150 so popular. This adds the "cool" of EVs to that without the nerd factor, and with some features that all of those categories I described will find something arguably useful about.
Doubters tend to focus on very narrow use cases. "Well, the contractor who lives 100 miles from his worksite and doesn't have supplemental generators is going to have an issue." But the thing is, the ICE F-150 isn't a niche vehicle. There's no single use case for the ICE F-150. Is it used by actual "hands on tools" contractors? Sure. By site managers? Sure. By young bros who think trucks are cool? Absolutely. By middle aged men who think they need a truck because they go to Home Depot once a month? Yeah. By people who want a truck bed for their sports equipment, or to do some car camping? Of course.
The versatility is what makes the ICE F-150 so popular. This adds the "cool" of EVs to that without the nerd factor, and with some features that all of those categories I described will find something arguably useful about.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 15:57
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Those are the same guys buying Model Xs.
So not really a game changer.
At least until it becomes more practical as a true work truck.
Most trucks sold in this price range are not work trucks- not many carpenters are lugging their equipment in the back of King Ranches. A lot of guys who think a Model X is a fancy minivan will buy these things. If it becomes acceptable as a truck, then it will be a game change.
The low end model is $41k.
Not really game changer as another high-end bro car.
Base model F-150 today with an ICE engine is $30.5K (if you can even find one at MSRP). For $10K more, you get an EV and all the new tech that comes with it.
By 2024, most mid-size SUVs and trucks will be at the $40K starting point, even for ICE vehicles. That's the reality.
The low-end model is $41,000 and (until they sell a lot of electric cars) it's eligible for a $7,500 tax credit. So for $3,500, you can get the electric one instead of the base model ICE one. At current gas prices, how long will it take to recoup that price difference just on fuel costs, let alone maintenance? Not very.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 14:50
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Those are the same guys buying Model Xs.
So not really a game changer.
At least until it becomes more practical as a true work truck.
Most trucks sold in this price range are not work trucks- not many carpenters are lugging their equipment in the back of King Ranches. A lot of guys who think a Model X is a fancy minivan will buy these things. If it becomes acceptable as a truck, then it will be a game change.
The low end model is $41k.
Not really game changer as another high-end bro car.
Base model F-150 today with an ICE engine is $30.5K (if you can even find one at MSRP). For $10K more, you get an EV and all the new tech that comes with it.
By 2024, most mid-size SUVs and trucks will be at the $40K starting point, even for ICE vehicles. That's the reality.
Anonymous
05/19/2022 14:46
Subject: "The Ford all-electric F-150 is set to transform American car culture"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:320 miles for the extended range version isn't terrible. These trucks will be HEAVY.
230 miles for the normal version.
That is plenty of mileage for people who use them for work. And - let's get real - the first batch of these will be bought by rich people for driving around, not work.
So then the realistic mileage is 275 & 190?
They are selling it as a power source. Power those tools?
Throw in some heavy equipment, a/c, and a 60 mile drive each way.
Could be cutting it close.
This thing is for the site managers and above. More likely, it will be bought by lawyers, doctors, finance bros, tech bros.... I doubt see any construction worker buying one of these things to use on a job site and I really dont see anyone buying them as fleet vehicles
Those are the same guys buying Model Xs.
So not really a game changer.
At least until it becomes more practical as a true work truck.
Most trucks sold in this price range are not work trucks- not many carpenters are lugging their equipment in the back of King Ranches. A lot of guys who think a Model X is a fancy minivan will buy these things. If it becomes acceptable as a truck, then it will be a game change.
The lower end model meant for fleet vehicles (and will also be sold to consumers) is $40K at 230 miles range. That is totally fine for vast majority of daily job site driving. Look at all the tradesmen in DC every day - very few are driving more than 100 miles in a day.
They won’t see 230 actual miles though. Real-world driving plus extra weight will drop the range.
And they can easily do 100 miles if they live far out and have to drive around to pick up parts or whatever.
It will be a game changer ad a work truck after they boost the range.