Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I'm a person of color. As an Arab and a Muslim I've been called a terrorist to my face. Honestly who gives a sh** about racial diversity in ballet school? I take my kids to ballet lessons in Arlington. Other than one Black girl, all the other kids are white. My kids don't care. We don't care. Its exhausting for every little thing to be analyzed with a racial lens. Can we all calm down a bit. People are more than their race and a lot of problems in the US can be resolved in a race neutral manner even though they disproportionately help people of color. This over emphasis on victimhood is exhausting. I am shia Muslim and grew up in the Arab world. Our places of worship are bombed. My husband is Palestinian and grew up under apartheid and occupation. Yet I don't go around telling my kids they are victims of discrimination every day. I teach them the facts. I teach them the history of racism, colonialism, sectarianism and then I move on. God living here is so exhausting. Its more exhausting than growing up in a place where your actual life is at risk and you can be jailed for simply who you are. I am seriously considering moving back if this over emphasis on race continues.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Yes, because only certain races are slim and Misty Copeland is not a principal dancer.
Nor should she be. I have watched her dance and she is good but not principal ballerina good.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I'm a person of color. As an Arab and a Muslim I've been called a terrorist to my face. Honestly who gives a sh** about racial diversity in ballet school? I take my kids to ballet lessons in Arlington. Other than one Black girl, all the other kids are white. My kids don't care. We don't care. Its exhausting for every little thing to be analyzed with a racial lens. Can we all calm down a bit. People are more than their race and a lot of problems in the US can be resolved in a race neutral manner even though they disproportionately help people of color. This over emphasis on victimhood is exhausting. I am shia Muslim and grew up in the Arab world. Our places of worship are bombed. My husband is Palestinian and grew up under apartheid and occupation. Yet I don't go around telling my kids they are victims of discrimination every day. I teach them the facts. I teach them the history of racism, colonialism, sectarianism and then I move on. God living here is so exhausting. Its more exhausting than growing up in a place where your actual life is at risk and you can be jailed for simply who you are. I am seriously considering moving back if this over emphasis on race continues.
Many of us come from war-torn regions, PP and have personally experienced racism. You clearly have younger children who have no professional ballet aspirations. You HAVE to understand that at the teen pre-professional level, getting passed over for the best roles because of considerations other than skill, means not progressing in those skills, missing out on auditions, and not being picked for the next step in your career. When your kids grow up and experience discrimination as an obstacle to education and professional advancement, you WILL care. You're just not in that space yet. You might be a social conservative who thinks this is all snowflake wokeness, and a lot of complaints on DCUM are in that category, but some of them are not. Learn to differentiate between the two, and also keep in mind that constant "minor" other-ing is a sign that more serious discrimination will be normalized.
- Asian.
No I’m not a social conservative. I tend to be on the left on most issues. Given the fact that I have experienced discrimination personally in the workplace as a female nonwhite attorney I am very familiar with the costs of racial discrimination. The problem I am having is with the constant insistence of analyzing everything through a racial lens and reducing complex human beings to their race. It’s exhausting and it’s not going to end well.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Thanks for following up on my behalf (this is OP). My DD feels somewhat comfortable — meaning no one has been unfriendly, etc — but has asked if she could attend classes somewhere with other brown and black dancers. You can’t be what you can’t see.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I'm a person of color. As an Arab and a Muslim I've been called a terrorist to my face. Honestly who gives a sh** about racial diversity in ballet school? I take my kids to ballet lessons in Arlington. Other than one Black girl, all the other kids are white. My kids don't care. We don't care. Its exhausting for every little thing to be analyzed with a racial lens. Can we all calm down a bit. People are more than their race and a lot of problems in the US can be resolved in a race neutral manner even though they disproportionately help people of color. This over emphasis on victimhood is exhausting. I am shia Muslim and grew up in the Arab world. Our places of worship are bombed. My husband is Palestinian and grew up under apartheid and occupation. Yet I don't go around telling my kids they are victims of discrimination every day. I teach them the facts. I teach them the history of racism, colonialism, sectarianism and then I move on. God living here is so exhausting. Its more exhausting than growing up in a place where your actual life is at risk and you can be jailed for simply who you are. I am seriously considering moving back if this over emphasis on race continues.
Many of us come from war-torn regions, PP and have personally experienced racism. You clearly have younger children who have no professional ballet aspirations. You HAVE to understand that at the teen pre-professional level, getting passed over for the best roles because of considerations other than skill, means not progressing in those skills, missing out on auditions, and not being picked for the next step in your career. When your kids grow up and experience discrimination as an obstacle to education and professional advancement, you WILL care. You're just not in that space yet. You might be a social conservative who thinks this is all snowflake wokeness, and a lot of complaints on DCUM are in that category, but some of them are not. Learn to differentiate between the two, and also keep in mind that constant "minor" other-ing is a sign that more serious discrimination will be normalized.
- Asian.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I'm a person of color. As an Arab and a Muslim I've been called a terrorist to my face. Honestly who gives a sh** about racial diversity in ballet school? I take my kids to ballet lessons in Arlington. Other than one Black girl, all the other kids are white. My kids don't care. We don't care. Its exhausting for every little thing to be analyzed with a racial lens. Can we all calm down a bit. People are more than their race and a lot of problems in the US can be resolved in a race neutral manner even though they disproportionately help people of color. This over emphasis on victimhood is exhausting. I am shia Muslim and grew up in the Arab world. Our places of worship are bombed. My husband is Palestinian and grew up under apartheid and occupation. Yet I don't go around telling my kids they are victims of discrimination every day. I teach them the facts. I teach them the history of racism, colonialism, sectarianism and then I move on. God living here is so exhausting. Its more exhausting than growing up in a place where your actual life is at risk and you can be jailed for simply who you are. I am seriously considering moving back if this over emphasis on race continues.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Yes, because only certain races are slim and Misty Copeland is not a principal dancer.
Nor should she be. I have watched her dance and she is good but not principal ballerina good.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
At the end of the day, ballet needs to fill theater seats with a ticket buying public. They are going to put people up on stage that sell tickets.
This means that people with disproportionate bodies are out - big heads, short legs, short stature...etc.
People who aren't good dancers are out - this is an obvious disqualifier.
There are a lot of people who believe Misty Copeland was promoted to principal because of her popularity with the audience. And it is true, she lacked the ability to do the 32 fouette turns that are a signature of Swan Lake. But she was selling tickets and ABT recognized that. It was kind of controversial though because she lacked a basic skill required of a principal role.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
At the end of the day, ballet needs to fill theater seats with a ticket buying public. They are going to put people up on stage that sell tickets.
This means that people with disproportionate bodies are out - big heads, short legs, short stature...etc.
People who aren't good dancers are out - this is an obvious disqualifier.
There are a lot of people who believe Misty Copeland was promoted to principal because of her popularity with the audience. And it is true, she lacked the ability to do the 32 fouette turns that are a signature of Swan Lake. But she was selling tickets and ABT recognized that. It was kind of controversial though because she lacked a basic skill required of a principal role.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Yes, because only certain races are slim and Misty Copeland is not a principal dancer.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here — thank you for the responses. I understand the racial barriers in classical ballet generally for sure, but it was still a bit jarring to see.
why is it jarring?
Unless you’re a Black person or person of color I don’t think you will understand. I assume you’re neither since you asked the question. Even though something is known more generally, it can still look jarring once it’s right in your face. And honestly, a ballet school in DC in 2022 that doesn’t have decent URM representation in its classes tells me a lot.
I’m trying to understand, what does it tell you here? Demographics of the immediate area? Narrow racial diversity in classical ballet? Or something more or different about WSB, or this campus of WSB? Thank you.
I'm the one who recommended City Dance. Please don't play dumb. Ballet is known for being extremely racist, and not only that, selecting for a certain height and body shape that has nothing to do with technique level or artistic talent. Traditional school directors have corps de ballet visuals in mind, and want a homogeneous line, with dancers of the same height, skin tone, and slimness. They forget that they are first and foremost a TEACHING organization, and that they need to give opportunities to all young people.
So this puts off people who are not pale, slim and of a certain height. They tend to leave at some point, or maybe they visit and don't even enroll.
Yes, because only certain races are slim and Misty Copeland is not a principal dancer.
Nor should she be. I have watched her dance and she is good but not principal ballerina good.