Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 12:47     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.


Plus, the parochial schools can afford to be picky and selective about who they accept....and don't hesitate to kick you out if you're a problem. That alone can be priceless if you're a teacher.

Who cares? Half the number of students and a better work environment (more like 20% less, and debatable) don’t pay my bills.


At our private school max class size is 15, most are between 11 and 13. It's absolutely half of pubic class sizes.


And you don't have to spend all your time designing 10 different lesson plans like in public school.
Some people value other things, not just money
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 12:46     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.


Plus, the parochial schools can afford to be picky and selective about who they accept....and don't hesitate to kick you out if you're a problem. That alone can be priceless if you're a teacher.

Who cares? Half the number of students and a better work environment (more like 20% less, and debatable) don’t pay my bills.


At our private school max class size is 15, most are between 11 and 13. It's absolutely half of pubic class sizes.

Some people value other things, not just money
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 12:28     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
So, I just looked up the starting salary in for Fairfax teachers. It's 51k for a bachelor's degree. So, yes, it is more, but not nearly as much as people are suggesting.

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FY22-teacher-194-day.pdf
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 12:21     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.


Plus, the parochial schools can afford to be picky and selective about who they accept....and don't hesitate to kick you out if you're a problem. That alone can be priceless if you're a teacher.

Who cares? Half the number of students and a better work environment (more like 20% less, and debatable) don’t pay my bills.


Is someone forcing you to work at a particular school?
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 11:42     Subject: 39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:How do you attract competitive and quality teachers with such an insulting and lame salary?

https://www.arlingtondiocese.org/catholic-schools/careers/application/


Isn’t the better question to ask whether student outcomes improve by hiring more teachers who each teach half the number of kids as compared to public school, even if the teacher is lesser-qualified (and they may or may not be lesser qualified, as some highly qualified teachers may take the bargain of less pay for fewer kids)? As compared to public school, seems like the private school gets two teachers for the same total teacher compensation the public school pays for one teacher.


When you control the variables (like parental income), the outcomes aren't different.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2022 07:52     Subject: 39k teacher salary at PVI
Anonymous wrote:How do you attract competitive and quality teachers with such an insulting and lame salary?

https://www.arlingtondiocese.org/catholic-schools/careers/application/


Isn’t the better question to ask whether student outcomes improve by hiring more teachers who each teach half the number of kids as compared to public school, even if the teacher is lesser-qualified (and they may or may not be lesser qualified, as some highly qualified teachers may take the bargain of less pay for fewer kids)? As compared to public school, seems like the private school gets two teachers for the same total teacher compensation the public school pays for one teacher.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 22:13     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.


Plus, the parochial schools can afford to be picky and selective about who they accept....and don't hesitate to kick you out if you're a problem. That alone can be priceless if you're a teacher.

Who cares? Half the number of students and a better work environment (more like 20% less, and debatable) don’t pay my bills.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 21:07     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.


Plus, the parochial schools can afford to be picky and selective about who they accept....and don't hesitate to kick you out if you're a problem. That alone can be priceless if you're a teacher.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 20:25     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
Catholic schools pay notoriously low. Part of the reason I wouldn’t send my kids.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 20:23     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:That's around 45k for full time work

You would never know from DCUM but a 45k new college starting salary is just slightly below the median which is 47k, once you factor in the liberal arts degree that salary is above average.


45k for full time work is a garbage salary, and everyone knows it. We aren’t talking about a starting salary, either.


Can you read it's the starting salary genius


Go do your homework.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 20:20     Subject: 39k teacher salary at PVI
Our parent community works hard to support our teachers. I know there are a good number with students in the school, so presumably the pay plus the tuition discount make it worthwhile. That said, most of the ones I know have spouses who are paid fairly well also. I think they’re committed to an educational program that matches their values, and allows their kids to receive the education as well.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 20:15     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
Anonymous wrote:My daughter makes almost 70 in Fairfax, with really good benefits. Why would anyone teach for 39K?


Half the number of students. A significantly better work environment.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 18:38     Subject: 39k teacher salary at PVI
Anonymous wrote:Your kids can get free private school education.

You don't have to deal with the beaucracy/dumpster fire of a big school system (ie FCPS).

You know your teachers want to be there/love teaching bc clearly they're not doing it for the paycheck.


My friends who teach in private schools have wealthy spouses. I want to teach in private school too but I can't afford it.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 18:29     Subject: 39k teacher salary at PVI
Your kids can get free private school education.

You don't have to deal with the beaucracy/dumpster fire of a big school system (ie FCPS).

You know your teachers want to be there/love teaching bc clearly they're not doing it for the paycheck.
Anonymous
Post 05/13/2022 18:00     Subject: Re:39k teacher salary at PVI
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Anonymous wrote:On the other hand, there are finance bros pulling six figures by moving electronic money around with a few mouse clicks, then convincing everyone at happy hour that they do meaningful, hard work.

They work from home, too. Teaching is an extremely difficult job. I don’t think people in other fields appreciate how exhausting it is to be fun and engaging in front of 30 kids who would rather be doing anything else. As an elementary school teacher, I prep for five lessons a day on five different topics. I have 40 minutes to plan for these, total. That time is often lost due to staff shortages, meetings, etc. so I have to do all of that at home. Even on a good day, I lose five minutes on each end of that period due to transitional complications (another class hasn’t been picked up from gym, a student is adamant that they need to find/do something, a parent calls, the school psychologist needs something from me…) so I literally run around that entire time, trying to prioritize everything I need to do. The planning can be done from anywhere but there are lots of elements of the job that MUST be done on site, like bulletin boards (ours have to be redone for each subject every week, with rubrics on every students’ work), malign copies, setting up art projects, working in their data binders (five inch binders meticulously organized for each child), organizing the classroom, and holding IEP meetings. This means that writing IEPs, analyzing data, collaborating with related service providers, planning units and lessons, and creating materials must all be completed at home. If you think this takes an extra hour a day, you are crazy. It’s more like three. My first year was spent crying and working alone at home while my friends in corporate jobs (making twice what I was) went to happy hour and vacationed with their families. THAT is why teachers are leaving. It’s demoralizing.


Didn't you know all this before you chose this major and career.

The finance bros are working double the amount of hours.... Feel free to get an MBA and join them though.



Finance "bros" are working 100-120 hours a week? Cause I work 50-60 like most teachers.

And dude, nobody really knows the intricacies of a job until they start doing it. So, no, when I became a teacher, I really didn't know about all these details.

But this post isn't really about all that. It's about why would anyone work for a parochial school where they will forever earn 30-50% of what their public school peers earn, with no pension? When I began teaching, I didn't really think a lot about the pension. I was 23 years old and retirement was not even on my radar. I mean, I opened an IRA but that was about it. Now that I'm approaching retirement, I see that while teacher pay may sometimes be less, it's the pension that makes it worth it financially. (And it helps that I love my job.) Catholic school teachers in my area start at 23K a year with a bachelor's. It's odd for a church that talks so much about serving the poor to pay their teachers poverty level wages.