Anonymous
05/15/2022 12:04
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SMS has been a mess for a while. Several years ago a teacher had to leave in the middle of the year due to a criminal investigation. I have heard stories of unqualified teachers. Aides are being put in the classroom with no experience.
A friend of mine once told me that Catholic school is 90% of public school work for75% of public school pay. Catholic doesn’t have some of the benefits of independent like small class sizes. Catholic school has 24-28 kids in a class some with learning issues.
I hope St. Mary’s can get a good principal who can attract high quality staff AND stand up to the pastor. ( That is a whole nother problem).
The pastor is in charge. Yes there is a principal but the pastor has authority over them. The diocese won’t get involved unless it’s extreme and even then they’ll come down on the side of the pastor 99% of the time.
+1 It is hard to explain to someone with no background in Catholic schools. Someone often with no educational experience is often calling shots. If you want to get somewhere in Catholic education, you have to kowtow to the pastor no matter the educational impact on kids.
For parochial schools perhaps, but not independant Catholic schools, since there is no parish and so no pastor.
Anonymous
05/15/2022 12:02
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:SMS has been a mess for a while. Several years ago a teacher had to leave in the middle of the year due to a criminal investigation. I have heard stories of unqualified teachers. Aides are being put in the classroom with no experience.
A friend of mine once told me that Catholic school is 90% of public school work for75% of public school pay. Catholic doesn’t have some of the benefits of independent like small class sizes. Catholic school has 24-28 kids in a class some with learning issues.
I hope St. Mary’s can get a good principal who can attract high quality staff AND stand up to the pastor. ( That is a whole nother problem).
The pastor is in charge. Yes there is a principal but the pastor has authority over them. The diocese won’t get involved unless it’s extreme and even then they’ll come down on the side of the pastor 99% of the time.
+1 It is hard to explain to someone with no background in Catholic schools. Someone often with no educational experience is often calling shots. If you want to get somewhere in Catholic education, you have to kowtow to the pastor no matter the educational impact on kids.
Anonymous
05/15/2022 11:28
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:SMS has been a mess for a while. Several years ago a teacher had to leave in the middle of the year due to a criminal investigation. I have heard stories of unqualified teachers. Aides are being put in the classroom with no experience.
A friend of mine once told me that Catholic school is 90% of public school work for75% of public school pay. Catholic doesn’t have some of the benefits of independent like small class sizes. Catholic school has 24-28 kids in a class some with learning issues.
I hope St. Mary’s can get a good principal who can attract high quality staff AND stand up to the pastor. ( That is a whole nother problem).
The pastor is in charge. Yes there is a principal but the pastor has authority over them. The diocese won’t get involved unless it’s extreme and even then they’ll come down on the side of the pastor 99% of the time.
Anonymous
05/15/2022 10:48
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
Well, parent expectations and reality rarely align. Low salaries in an expensive area is of course going to lead to departures.
+1 Catholics are in a tough spot. They can't pay as much as publics and can't justify low pay like some privates. They are left with a limited pool of teachers. Also having someone like a pastor make the ultimate calls on many aspects really sucks and could be arguably worse than having a superintendent.
Excellent points.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 14:55
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Ours has lots of stability and alumni who come back to teach. Class sizes are around 15.
Which school?
Anonymous
05/14/2022 14:18
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
Well, parent expectations and reality rarely align. Low salaries in an expensive area is of course going to lead to departures.
+1 Catholics are in a tough spot. They can't pay as much as publics and can't justify low pay like some privates. They are left with a limited pool of teachers. Also having someone like a pastor make the ultimate calls on many aspects really sucks and could be arguably worse than having a superintendent.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:43
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
Well, parent expectations and reality rarely align. Low salaries in an expensive area is of course going to lead to departures.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:14
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
Isn’t it great to have choices! You can choose something else like secular private or public.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:10
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Principal of our school just announced departure. Is this typical? Usually they have to give more notice. Many people are leaving. Is it just Catholic or all schools?
Are you trying to stir the pot? Looking to bash Catholic schools?
You're generalizing and bring presumptuous. What do you mean "give more notice"?
And "many people are leaving"? ...and that conclusion is based on, what, overheard gossip?
Retirement, medical or other?
Name the school.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:04
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Ours has lots of stability and alumni who come back to teach. Class sizes are around 15.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 12:00
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
That’s because some private school parents have unreasonable expectations. Look at the turnover at Maret.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 11:06
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
That’s unfortunate for any school, but people in Catholic schools expect some stability. Honestly I am starting to understand why people say Catholic schools are public schools with Religion.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 11:06
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
+100
I don't understand your outrage Op You've never heard of a principal - punlic or private or parochial- stepping down??
Read the fcps forum...lots of posts about principal musical chairs/stepping down
Anonymous
05/14/2022 10:57
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
My kids in public school has a new principal every other year for awhile. It happens.
Anonymous
05/14/2022 10:26
Subject: Catholic schools turnover
Anonymous wrote:SMS has been a mess for a while. Several years ago a teacher had to leave in the middle of the year due to a criminal investigation. I have heard stories of unqualified teachers. Aides are being put in the classroom with no experience.
A friend of mine once told me that Catholic school is 90% of public school work for75% of public school pay. Catholic doesn’t have some of the benefits of independent like small class sizes. Catholic school has 24-28 kids in a class some with learning issues.
I hope St. Mary’s can get a good principal who can attract high quality staff AND stand up to the pastor. ( That is a whole nother problem).
Depends on your school. Ours had no classes over 20 kids.