Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

Yeah, I don't think people understand that for the schools everyone on this Board worries about, you still need really strong academics to get into the top D3 schools, and to get into an Ivy, you need both the academics and to be a good enough athlete to compete at the D1 level. Everyone acts like that's nothing. I don't get it. When DC graduated a Big3 several years ago two classmates were recruited to play a sport at top Ivies. They were really strong athletes, who had worked really hard at their sports, but also had always taken the hardest classes and had high GPAs. It was not as if they just wandered in and said "here I am."

I don’t think you understand the amount of parental time and resources a kid needs to have access to in order to be recruitable for most d1, d2 (often forgotten!), and d3 sports. Additionally, a lot of the sports that you can get recruited for garner no fanfare whatsoever.

Anonymous wrote:Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

Yeah, I don't think people understand that for the schools everyone on this Board worries about, you still need really strong academics to get into the top D3 schools, and to get into an Ivy, you need both the academics and to be a good enough athlete to compete at the D1 level. Everyone acts like that's nothing. I don't get it. When DC graduated a Big3 several years ago two classmates were recruited to play a sport at top Ivies. They were really strong athletes, who had worked really hard at their sports, but also had always taken the hardest classes and had high GPAs. It was not as if they just wandered in and said "here I am."

Athletes from these schools really don't have much of a "hook" getting into the "top" schools. Going through the process now with my kid. Highy desired by coaches almost universally, but can't get past the pre-reads because they're around the 25th percentile for the very academic schools. Middle of the pack "big 3" student and athletics not the hook everyone thinks it is.

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that the majority of the girls at NCS are there because they had/have a hook. And now you’re complaining that same gravy train you rode in on is now leaving the station without you.

#facts

Anonymous wrote:Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Stanford, Georgetown, Michigan, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern, Chicago, Brown, Rice, WUSTL, Swarthmore.

That is about half the class of unhooked kids.

Which school?

"Only the things that my kid has should be a hook!"

UVA, Michigan, USC. Join a high-status frat/sorority, party and mix with other smart rich kids, and coast to graduating with high honors.

Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth, Stanford, Georgetown, Michigan, Columbia, Penn, Northwestern, Chicago, Brown, Rice, WUSTL, Swarthmore.

That is about half the class of unhooked kids.

NCS has what 80 girls? 46% diversity, so 43 white girls? How many of those play a varsity sport, or have a legacy parent? Half?

So, the odds of a very top school, the ones that take far less than 1% of the graduating seniors in the country is like 5%? So, 10X as high as most kids? Even though research shows that kids in their demographic, because they have so many other privileges, have very good outcomes from a wide range of schools?

And I'm supposed to feel bad? That your daughter had fewer options than you fantasized about, or than the girls who worked as hard as she did in the classroom, and then equally hard on extracurriculars or overcoming systematic racism did?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This obsession has to stop. It's literally killing kids.

You don't know me from Adam but I honestly don't have an obsession with the Ivy League. However, it also really sucks to learn that many top schools are essentially off-the-table.
I hadn't realized this. I don't think many of us do when we apply to the top high schools with a top academic kid.
We don't view the Big3 (or similar) as a ticket to a good college but it also sucks to realize that your kid will have significantly FEWER options.

Fewer options than who?

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that the majority of the girls at NCS are there because they had/have a hook. And now you’re complaining that same gravy train you rode in on is now leaving the station without you.

LOL. I could not help but laugh at this post. It is so on point.

Anonymous wrote:I have kids at NCS.
It looks like there is one Ivy admit at NCS this year outside of the 3 hook categories (legacy/athlete/URM).
Is it the same at the other "Big3"?
Where are the top academic kids that are unhooked going?

I also have kids at NCS and I do not think this is true. But I would not really know because I do not obsess over the hooked status of teenagers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have kids at NCS.
It looks like there is one Ivy admit at NCS this year outside of the 3 hook categories (legacy/athlete/URM).
Is it the same at the other "Big3"?
Where are the top academic kids that are unhooked going?

I also have a child at NCS and the students I have heard of thus far are all going to top schools. I have not heard of a school below top 30 yet. Same with STA. Kids are all going to great schools.

There at many going to schools above 50. Some above 100.

Anonymous wrote:I have kids at NCS.
It looks like there is one Ivy admit at NCS this year outside of the 3 hook categories (legacy/athlete/URM).
Is it the same at the other "Big3"?
Where are the top academic kids that are unhooked going?

I also have a child at NCS and the students I have heard of thus far are all going to top schools. I have not heard of a school below top 30 yet. Same with STA. Kids are all going to great schools.

Stanford and Harvard