Anonymous
04/17/2022 21:07
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.
And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.
Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.
I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.
That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.
I don't understand this. They can't get an A in a class this way. They may not fail but they won't get an A.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 21:06
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.
And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.
Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.
Of course you can recover from a single, non-test 50%. What a perfect “soft” failure for your kid to experience. If this has really messed with her head, I’d be seriously concerned about her ability to weather future failures or setbacks where the consequences are much greater. Is it really just get an A or completely give up?
Well there are many grades between an A and a F (50%) she could get so no it's not get an A and give up. It's, "I got a F in art. Never mind. This subject just isn't for me and it's MS so who cares. I want to go to college for electrical engineering anyway" mentality.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 19:38
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.
And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.
Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.
I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.
That is pretty much how most non honors classes are in high school. Kids just pick and choose when they want to work. Get an A and you can skip the next three assignments. I don't think I have a single assignment where more than 75% of the class turned it in.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 18:56
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.
And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.
Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.
I also have a middle school student who is learning a different lesson. He can work very hard at a tedious assignment for a class he doesn’t like and doesn’t agree with the grading and earn maybe a 70, or skip the assignment completely and not do anything and take the 50. He’s choosing what he does and doesn’t turn in. I am not sure I like that lesson either. It’s the 8th grade monthly science research project that’s really not about science at all that some schools are assigning to promote cultural diversity.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 18:49
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Some of us need deadlines and structure to succeed.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 18:48
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:An F is an F is an F
Op, so what grade lower than an "F" do you want?
If an F is an F, why do we give 50% instead of 63%?
Anonymous
04/17/2022 18:21
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
An F is an F is an F
Op, so what grade lower than an "F" do you want?
Op, so what grade lower than an "F" do you want?
Anonymous
04/17/2022 17:42
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:My kid got a 7/14 in an art elective in MS on an assignment (not a test). She did the work. Did poorly and now has completely given up on the class. So yes, let's hand out 50s like candy to kids. Especially in classes no one gives a crap about. Retakes allow kids to feel like there is a reason to keep trying.
And no, there is no retake on this stupid assignment and even if there was, I wouldn't have her do it. It's MS and art. Who cares.
Just sharing to show you how easily kids can give up when they see no way to dig out of a hole. Can't really recover from a 50.
Of course you can recover from a single, non-test 50%. What a perfect “soft” failure for your kid to experience. If this has really messed with her head, I’d be seriously concerned about her ability to weather future failures or setbacks where the consequences are much greater. Is it really just get an A or completely give up?
Anonymous
04/17/2022 17:22
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the ultimate goal to have children turn in work on time or is to learn the subject material? You can want it to be both, but if only one is happening, you need to choose.
Lots of times neither is happening and students are still passing.
Are you upset about your kids or other kids? If it’s your kids, teach them accountability. If it’s others, mind your own business.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 17:07
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Is the ultimate goal to have children turn in work on time or is to learn the subject material? You can want it to be both, but if only one is happening, you need to choose.
Lots of times neither is happening and students are still passing.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 16:48
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:And is the "real world" really like this anymore? I see LOTS of government employees where I work who are impossible to fire and do the bare minimum to get their work done. And there are many professions where this is the case. Once people get tenure or even just get hired for full time work (rather than contracting or hourly wages) it's very hard to fire anyone. That's not to say that everyone acts this way, but actually there are many, many ways to have a job and have a shitty work ethic and lots of "retakes".
I had an employee once who mastered how to take advantage of long term disability. She probably worked 20 months in 5 years. Always out for months and extending time with a doctors note, but we’d hear rumors that she was traveling and on vacation. In the office, no one liked her and she was constantly missing from her workspace/meetings and so many excuses for missing deadlines. Quality of work? Close to nil. Every time she got a warning or was written up, she went back out on leave. I’ve got other stories just like this - Fortune 100 companies. This is the real world.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 16:47
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
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Anonymous
04/17/2022 16:40
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A 50 is still an F.
I look at grades as a percentage of the material a student understands. If they get an 90% on one assignment and 30% on the other, it means they have understood 60% of the course. Now you can't look at it as what % of the material kids understand. If anything the 50% floor has reduced the amount of late work I get. Why turn in a missing assignment if you are already passing? My honors kids want As and will still do it, but gen Ed forget about it. I have so many kids passing classes that haven't even completed half the assignments. You're telling me in the real world you will get by completing less than half the work.
Do you work in corporate America? I work with a few people who do very little and still have a job, it takes months or years to fire people in America after warnings, PIPs, etc. In both HS and in the workforce, we are talking about a small percentage of people.
Anonymous
04/17/2022 16:38
Subject: Re:Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
And is the "real world" really like this anymore? I see LOTS of government employees where I work who are impossible to fire and do the bare minimum to get their work done. And there are many professions where this is the case. Once people get tenure or even just get hired for full time work (rather than contracting or hourly wages) it's very hard to fire anyone. That's not to say that everyone acts this way, but actually there are many, many ways to have a job and have a shitty work ethic and lots of "retakes".
Anonymous
04/17/2022 16:35
Subject: Let's talk about the real world and retakes and deadlines
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the year 2000 a student didn't turn in any work they earned 0. Parents will ground the student and will learn the lesson.
Now the lowest grade we can earned is a 50%...... Parents will write an "excuse on why they couldn't complete the work.....
deadlines?
What deadlines?
Students can submit late work with no deductions! They can go back to previous semesters and submit work without deductions/penalties and the teacher have to accept it and do the paperwork for grade change.
In the real world there will be deadlines. If you miss the deadlines there will be penalty and mommy and daddy will not be able to call the credit card company and tell I can pay when ever I want to..
Let's talk about retakes. You might be able to retake your DMV Test, Praxis EXAM, or other exams but you have to pay for them.
back in the day test were given once and that was it.
When are we going to let students start taking responsible again?
Why do you care? Get a life!
+1, who cares?