Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 09:38     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:Harsh public university curves are to weed out a predetermined xx% of freshmen because they don't have the seats, faculty, or department funding for all of them. They want to funnel xx% of them to soft departments, which are far cheaper for the university, thus higher margins. It's all about the bottom line and it's all pretty disgusting. Especially because a lot of international students are ruthless cheaters and utilize test banks and other cheating methods to dominate the top of these courses. I know pre-meds and nurses who transferred colleges after doing too "poorly" on first year weed-out courses and successfully became nurses and MDs.


US kids cheat like crazy too.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 09:34     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:I think colleges want to weed kids out Freshman year so that a floundering student will waste one year instead of four years.

I suspect this is why a friend had the dissection class in Med school her freshman year, so that the squeamish kids would waste one year, not four years.



I didn’t know there is weed out class in medical school.
I assumed it was done before you got in.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 09:00     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
I think colleges want to weed kids out Freshman year so that a floundering student will waste one year instead of four years.

I suspect this is why a friend had the dissection class in Med school her freshman year, so that the squeamish kids would waste one year, not four years.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 08:38     Subject: Re:Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a “weed out class” at most universities. You can always retake the class or continue in the major even if you get a C.


And the students who flounder are not working, don't let your student tell you otherwise.


Yes, they’re just morally deficient.

What are you trying to say here?
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 08:37     Subject: Re:Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a “weed out class” at most universities. You can always retake the class or continue in the major even if you get a C.


And the students who flounder are not working, don't let your student tell you otherwise.


Depends on what school you’re talking about.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 08:31     Subject: Re:Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as a “weed out class” at most universities. You can always retake the class or continue in the major even if you get a C.


And the students who flounder are not working, don't let your student tell you otherwise.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 08:16     Subject: Re:Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
There is no such thing as a “weed out class” at most universities. You can always retake the class or continue in the major even if you get a C.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 08:14     Subject: Re:Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:They are traditionally hard classes, they do need to be made hard. Students that have what it takes will get through them; those that don’t, don’t.

Examples: Calculus, Organic Chemistry.


What is the weed out class for CS.
Are they the introduction courses?
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 07:35     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you go see a doctor, would you want a charlatan or somebody who knows his material?

True but I remember reading an article that discussed whether future doctors really need to be good at calculus or organic chemistry (the answer was no…). It went on to discuss how so many people get weeded out which is unfortunate because many of these folks would have made great doctors.



True but medical schools and residences don’t have enough space.
This could be the purpose of early reduction of potential applicants.


Also they don’t necessarily need the content of those classes usually but med school is HARD (much harder than the pre reqs and they’re very definitely not trying to weed anyone out) so if you can’t cut it in organic it probably is a good idea not to go that route.


Still, people do post-bacs, retake courses and end up getting to med school.

This board probably won’t go for this, but a lot of smart kids lack the maturity at 19 to do well in organic chemistry.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 06:36     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you go see a doctor, would you want a charlatan or somebody who knows his material?

True but I remember reading an article that discussed whether future doctors really need to be good at calculus or organic chemistry (the answer was no…). It went on to discuss how so many people get weeded out which is unfortunate because many of these folks would have made great doctors.



True but medical schools and residences don’t have enough space.
This could be the purpose of early reduction of potential applicants.


Also they don’t necessarily need the content of those classes usually but med school is HARD (much harder than the pre reqs and they’re very definitely not trying to weed anyone out) so if you can’t cut it in organic it probably is a good idea not to go that route.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 05:47     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Organic Chemistry is just the beginning of studying to become a physician. The MCAT is currently an 8 hour grueling test, then medical school, then a series of medical boards (that have no do overs or score choice). Yes, it’s a weed out class and for good reason.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2022 00:13     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
I wouldn't say "on purpose" but certain degrees require certain harder classes and many times students aren't very realistic.

If you don't do well in mathematics, you probably aren't going to do well in various health care disciplines or computer science or engineering, for example.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2022 22:29     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Harsh public university curves are to weed out a predetermined xx% of freshmen because they don't have the seats, faculty, or department funding for all of them. They want to funnel xx% of them to soft departments, which are far cheaper for the university, thus higher margins. It's all about the bottom line and it's all pretty disgusting. Especially because a lot of international students are ruthless cheaters and utilize test banks and other cheating methods to dominate the top of these courses. I know pre-meds and nurses who transferred colleges after doing too "poorly" on first year weed-out courses and successfully became nurses and MDs.


We knew you’d be here!


What are test banks?



Places where you can purchase previous exams.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2022 21:49     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
A true "weed out" class is, by definition, meant to eliminate weaker students.

Some schools might do this so that their stats for getting graduates into medical school look good.

My daughter is a bio major, and we saw a lot of this in SLAC's. Not sure if it is as common in large, public universities, but it might be.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2022 21:10     Subject: Are weed out class done hard on purpose?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you go see a doctor, would you want a charlatan or somebody who knows his material?

True but I remember reading an article that discussed whether future doctors really need to be good at calculus or organic chemistry (the answer was no…). It went on to discuss how so many people get weeded out which is unfortunate because many of these folks would have made great doctors.



True but medical schools and residences don’t have enough space.
This could be the purpose of early reduction of potential applicants.