Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:47
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.
I didn’t say that. There were many others instances in the four years prior to the insurrection in which Trump said things that were either outright lies or misspeaking, starting with the crowd size at his inauguration. And each of them generated huge outcry.
Did Biden demand a Park Service investigation into his Xi mileage claim?
No. What is your point? Do you dispute that there was public outcry over each of Trump's lies, both significant and insignificant?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Trump lied about EVERYTHING. Big and small, consequential and in inconsequential.
And you and your ilk did not care. So the same applies here.
Exactly. Trump lied about literally everything.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:43
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.
I didn’t say that. There were many others instances in the four years prior to the insurrection in which Trump said things that were either outright lies or misspeaking, starting with the crowd size at his inauguration. And each of them generated huge outcry.
Did Biden demand a Park Service investigation into his Xi mileage claim?
No. What is your point? Do you dispute that there was public outcry over each of Trump's lies, both significant and insignificant?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Trump lied about EVERYTHING. Big and small, consequential and in inconsequential.
And you and your ilk did not care. So the same applies here.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:37
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:In the scheme of things, this lie by Biden isn't terribly consequential. It is like Trump lying about the size of the crowds at his inauguration.
But, Biden has lied about very consequential things.
"Our troops will not withdraw from Afghanistan until all Americans are evacuated." And, for the record.... there are STILL Americans (and allies) stuck in Afghanistan.
"Sanctions weren't intended to stop anything from happening." Days before this comment, Psaki said that "Sanctions are intended to have a deterrent effect."
"Inflation is transitory." Sure. This, despite reputable economists saying otherwise. We see how that turned out.
There are many others. And, he has been a known liar for years. He had to drop out of his first run for president in 1987 because he plagiarized a speech and lied about his law school record.
And, he also lied about his first wife being killed by a drunk driver. The truck driver was NOT drunk and according to witness and evidence, it was his wife that pulled into the truck driver's right of way.
Anyone who believed Joe would be a "truth-teller" is ignorant of his past.
I don’t actually care any more. What Trump taught me is that lies in office are irrelevant compared to policy outcomes.
I used to want truthful presidents that I could admire, like Obama. I see now that I was naive and wrong. Trump has taught me that. The only way to destroy the fascist cancer of Trumpism is to act like him.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:31
Subject: Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Biden is a liar; luckily he’s so old now it feels somewhat benign. Crazy grandpa talk.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:25
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Not in this case.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it matter? It seems like small potatoes.
Repeating the same lie over and over is small potatoes?
Biden has been a prolific liar throughout his career, it’s just getting more attention now. Funny how people just shrug off the fact that he’s fundamentally dishonest.
The thing is that Trump taught us all that it’s entirely irrelevant. The Democrats have learned from the master liar, Trump. So who cares. Nothing Biden lies about approaches Trump lies.
Isn’t this whataboutism?
No, it’s just pointing out that Trumpsters have no leg to stand on.
OK, but isn't it hypocritical for anti-Trumpers to give Biden a pass on his conduct when they called out each time Trump did something wrong?
why?
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:24
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.
I didn’t say that. There were many others instances in the four years prior to the insurrection in which Trump said things that were either outright lies or misspeaking, starting with the crowd size at his inauguration. And each of them generated huge outcry.
Did Biden demand a Park Service investigation into his Xi mileage claim?
No. What is your point? Do you dispute that there was public outcry over each of Trump's lies, both significant and insignificant?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump
Anonymous
04/09/2022 14:23
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
In the scheme of things, this lie by Biden isn't terribly consequential. It is like Trump lying about the size of the crowds at his inauguration.
But, Biden has lied about very consequential things.
"Our troops will not withdraw from Afghanistan until all Americans are evacuated." And, for the record.... there are STILL Americans (and allies) stuck in Afghanistan.
"Sanctions weren't intended to stop anything from happening." Days before this comment, Psaki said that "Sanctions are intended to have a deterrent effect."
"Inflation is transitory." Sure. This, despite reputable economists saying otherwise. We see how that turned out.
There are many others. And, he has been a known liar for years. He had to drop out of his first run for president in 1987 because he plagiarized a speech and lied about his law school record.
And, he also lied about his first wife being killed by a drunk driver. The truck driver was NOT drunk and according to witness and evidence, it was his wife that pulled into the truck driver's right of way.
Anyone who believed Joe would be a "truth-teller" is ignorant of his past.
But, Biden has lied about very consequential things.
"Our troops will not withdraw from Afghanistan until all Americans are evacuated." And, for the record.... there are STILL Americans (and allies) stuck in Afghanistan.
"Sanctions weren't intended to stop anything from happening." Days before this comment, Psaki said that "Sanctions are intended to have a deterrent effect."
"Inflation is transitory." Sure. This, despite reputable economists saying otherwise. We see how that turned out.
There are many others. And, he has been a known liar for years. He had to drop out of his first run for president in 1987 because he plagiarized a speech and lied about his law school record.
And, he also lied about his first wife being killed by a drunk driver. The truck driver was NOT drunk and according to witness and evidence, it was his wife that pulled into the truck driver's right of way.
Anyone who believed Joe would be a "truth-teller" is ignorant of his past.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 13:48
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it matter? It seems like small potatoes.
Repeating the same lie over and over is small potatoes?
Biden has been a prolific liar throughout his career, it’s just getting more attention now. Funny how people just shrug off the fact that he’s fundamentally dishonest.
The thing is that Trump taught us all that it’s entirely irrelevant. The Democrats have learned from the master liar, Trump. So who cares. Nothing Biden lies about approaches Trump lies.
Isn’t this whataboutism?
No, it’s just pointing out that Trumpsters have no leg to stand on.
OK, but isn't it hypocritical for anti-Trumpers to give Biden a pass on his conduct when they called out each time Trump did something wrong?
It is, but they will defend it. It’s the same as catching your kid in a lie, and his defense is "other people lie too", so you give your kid a pass right?
Anonymous
04/09/2022 13:47
Subject: Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Biden thinks it's his wife's
Anonymous
04/09/2022 13:37
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.
I didn’t say that. There were many others instances in the four years prior to the insurrection in which Trump said things that were either outright lies or misspeaking, starting with the crowd size at his inauguration. And each of them generated huge outcry.
Did Biden demand a Park Service investigation into his Xi mileage claim?
Anonymous
04/09/2022 13:28
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Not in this case.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it matter? It seems like small potatoes.
Repeating the same lie over and over is small potatoes?
Biden has been a prolific liar throughout his career, it’s just getting more attention now. Funny how people just shrug off the fact that he’s fundamentally dishonest.
The thing is that Trump taught us all that it’s entirely irrelevant. The Democrats have learned from the master liar, Trump. So who cares. Nothing Biden lies about approaches Trump lies.
Isn’t this whataboutism?
No, it’s just pointing out that Trumpsters have no leg to stand on.
OK, but isn't it hypocritical for anti-Trumpers to give Biden a pass on his conduct when they called out each time Trump did something wrong?
Anonymous
04/09/2022 12:34
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it matter? It seems like small potatoes.
Repeating the same lie over and over is small potatoes?
Biden has been a prolific liar throughout his career, it’s just getting more attention now. Funny how people just shrug off the fact that he’s fundamentally dishonest.
The thing is that Trump taught us all that it’s entirely irrelevant. The Democrats have learned from the master liar, Trump. So who cares. Nothing Biden lies about approaches Trump lies.
Isn’t this whataboutism?
No, it’s just pointing out that Trumpsters have no leg to stand on.
OK, but isn't it hypocritical for anti-Trumpers to give Biden a pass on his conduct when they called out each time Trump did something wrong?
Anonymous
04/09/2022 12:30
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.
I didn’t say that. There were many others instances in the four years prior to the insurrection in which Trump said things that were either outright lies or misspeaking, starting with the crowd size at his inauguration. And each of them generated huge outcry.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 12:16
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it matter? It seems like small potatoes.
Repeating the same lie over and over is small potatoes?
Biden has been a prolific liar throughout his career, it’s just getting more attention now. Funny how people just shrug off the fact that he’s fundamentally dishonest.
The thing is that Trump taught us all that it’s entirely irrelevant. The Democrats have learned from the master liar, Trump. So who cares. Nothing Biden lies about approaches Trump lies.
Isn’t this whataboutism?
No, it’s just pointing out that Trumpsters have no leg to stand on.
Anonymous
04/09/2022 12:15
Subject: Re:Biden claims to have traveled “17,000 miles with Xi Jinping”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I opened this thread knowing it would quickly turn into "whataboutism"
A president telling lies either matters or it doesn't. Pick a side that isn't tied to which president is talking.
Personally, I think the reasoning that Trump did something so therefore we can't call out that thing in this administration is wrongheaded and dangerous.
The people complaining about Biden said nothing when Trump lied tens of thousands of times including inciting a mob to storm the Capitol, so I can’t imagine them caring about this.
Right, and the people who don’t care about Biden’s latest complained loudly about every time Trump lied or misspoke. The hypocrisy goes both ways. It is exhausting and unproductive.
Lying about an insurrection on our democracy=misspeaking about distance traveled.
Got it.