Years ago when DD was a third grader at Beauvoir, Holton had *a moment* by attracting six girls from DD's class to enroll at Holton for fourth grade. Interestingly, every single one of those six girls eventually left Holton.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

I've heard this before, but yet can never find any evidence to prove this connection.

Tina Fey wrote Mean Girls after reading Queen Bees and Wannabes by Rosalind Wiseman, which is a parenting book. Wiseman worked at NCS around the time she wrote the book (which contains anecdotes that sound like she is writing from experience though she never names NCS). She herself went to Maret as a kid and then Occidental.

So your evidence is anecdotal. Did Wiseman ever say NCS was the inspiration? If I'm not mistaken, didn't Wiseman do research at a series of independent schools?

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

LOL at this poster surly?!? Maybe tired (like most hard working girls are). And when was the last time you were on Holton’s campus? You’re clearly out of touch.

To NCS moms-- is this mean poster representative of many NCS moms ?

Oh, please. When you’re making this kind of decision, first hand impressions often carry the day. Yes, surly. Sorry. It’s what I observed when we recently toured. Several girls mocked us and said oh yeah, send her here. And several others rolled their eyes at the teachers. I get that that’s normal, it was just not a great look. And yes, compared to other schools we toured, the facilities and class rooms for the lower school need updating. Again, these are my opinions and experience. It’s not “mean”.

I completely get the first impression part. In fact, that’s why my DD applied only to Holton for 3rd grade a number of years ago. One of my colleagues had to transfer/move his daughter out of NCS because of persistent bullying done by a girl with big donor parents. The school hadn’t done anything. So I thought, “There is no way I would allow send my daughter there”.

I’ve heard the same.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

LOL at this poster surly?!? Maybe tired (like most hard working girls are). And when was the last time you were on Holton’s campus? You’re clearly out of touch.

To NCS moms-- is this mean poster representative of many NCS moms ?

Oh, please. When you’re making this kind of decision, first hand impressions often carry the day. Yes, surly. Sorry. It’s what I observed when we recently toured. Several girls mocked us and said oh yeah, send her here. And several others rolled their eyes at the teachers. I get that that’s normal, it was just not a great look. And yes, compared to other schools we toured, the facilities and class rooms for the lower school need updating. Again, these are my opinions and experience. It’s not “mean”.

I completely get the first impression part. In fact, that’s why my DD applied only to Holton for 3rd grade a number of years ago. One of my colleagues had to transfer/move his daughter out of NCS because of persistent bullying done by a girl with big donor parents. The school hadn’t done anything. So I thought, “There is no way I would allow send my daughter there”.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

LOL at this poster surly?!? Maybe tired (like most hard working girls are). And when was the last time you were on Holton’s campus? You’re clearly out of touch.

To NCS moms-- is this mean poster representative of many NCS moms ?

Oh, please. When you’re making this kind of decision, first hand impressions often carry the day. Yes, surly. Sorry. It’s what I observed when we recently toured. Several girls mocked us and said oh yeah, send her here. And several others rolled their eyes at the teachers. I get that that’s normal, it was just not a great look. And yes, compared to other schools we toured, the facilities and class rooms for the lower school need updating. Again, these are my opinions and experience. It’s not “mean”.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

LOL at this poster surly?!? Maybe tired (like most hard working girls are). And when was the last time you were on Holton’s campus? You’re clearly out of touch.

To NCS moms-- is this mean poster representative of many NCS moms ?

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

Actually the author has denied this publicly.

Both are very good schools. Know several Holton alums that CURRENTLY have daughters at NCS so it is an individual decision. We liked both schools but daughter chose NCS and she is very happy there. Religion, on site brother school, location etc are differences. Good luck.

And I know NCS alums who send daughters to Holton. Agree with other posters: go to admitted students days and your daughter will likely have a preference. It is much easier to figure it out at those days, once you are admitted.

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Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

I've heard this before, but yet can never find any evidence to prove this connection.

Tina Fey wrote Mean Girls after reading Queen Bees and Wannabes by Rosalind Wiseman, which is a parenting book. Wiseman worked at NCS around the time she wrote the book (which contains anecdotes that sound like she is writing from experience though she never names NCS). She herself went to Maret as a kid and then Occidental.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

I've heard this before, but yet can never find any evidence to prove this connection.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

Actually the author has denied this publicly.

Both are very good schools. Know several Holton alums that CURRENTLY have daughters at NCS so it is an individual decision. We liked both schools but daughter chose NCS and she is very happy there. Religion, on site brother school, location etc are differences. Good luck.

My daughter visited both. Went to NCS. Talked for years about how food was so much better at Holton.
These are both very good schools. Experience at each may depend on the class.

Anonymous wrote:We chose NCS for fourth. The facilities at NCS are far superior and more updated. We were more impressed by the teachers and engagement of the classes we observed at NCS. The older girls at holton looked surly and the campus is run down. Wasn’t as impressed by the teachers we observed. Our daughter liked that the older girls don’t wear uniforms and have some more coed opportunities. It’s pretty individual.

Hmmm- the book Mean Girls was based on NCS. Maybe a more appropriate title would have been Mean Moms.

My daughter chose Holton over NCS and is very happy. The schools felt very different to her - she loved the uniform and the school spirit of Holton. Her classes have been engaging. But she knows lots of girls who like NCS and are happy there, and agrees the athletic facilities at NCS are amazing. She swooned over the indoor track! But ultimately she felt she fit in a little more with the Holton girls. I would go to both admitted students days and see if you have a preference.

And to the NCS mom who said Holton girls looked surly, that hasn’t been our experience but I don’t have a problem with you saying so. That was your experience that day. We could probably all have “off” experiences at any of these schools. Glad to hear your daughter likes her choice.

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Anonymous wrote:You said what you said. Don’t add cowardice to your already evident character flaws.

+1--- exactly!

+2. If you're going to say it, own it.

Anonymous wrote:You said what you said. Don’t add cowardice to your already evident character flaws.

+1--- exactly!