Anonymous wrote:This isn’t a response to OP’s question, but for those who want to cook a brisket: it isn’t such a cheap cut anymore, BUT it’s the one meat I regularly buy at Trader Joe’s. They usually have 3-4 lb kosher and non-kosher briskets that are nicely trimmed. I cook them in my instant pot to make meat for tacos.

I was going to say the same about not so cheap anymore. A decent piece of meat at Motis is going to be upwards of thirty dollars and it shrinks. I don't know if they will trim it for you but probably. Anyway if you've ever had good brisket cooked low and slow you'll understand. It's like Jewish BBQ.

Wacky take. The angels were in disguise. Also, your need to center yourself in Jewish practice is non-sensical.

I am pretty sure if meat & dairy is good enough for the Almighty and the angels to eat in one sitting at the same time, its good enough for basic humans. It's literally the definition of charcuterie without the pork. Again it's Judaism making its own rules and making themselves superior to the Almighty and the holy angels. This is why the Messiah condemned Judaic customs that made unnecessary practices.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also no dairy or pasta/bread/etc. So brisket and potatoes and a vegetable can be a nice Passover meal.[/quote]

No dairy is not a Pesach prerequisite. [/quote]

Yes that is right (PP here). But you can't do the meat and milk together and a brisket meal is easy to do without dairy. (eg, many Italian meat dishes have cheese).[/quote]

The idea of dairy & meat is not scripturally based but rather rabbincal rules. In scripture, Avraham served Yahuah & the two angels with him bread & a calf dressed with milk & butter.

See: And Avraham hastened into the tent unto El-Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Avraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hastened to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. BERE'SHIYTH (GENESIS) 18:6-8[/quote]

This is why it's so stupid when people say that they want to have a Seder exactly like Jesus did. Jesus did not live under Kosher rules. Jesus did not celebrate Seder like Jews do now. Judaism was not practiced as we know it.[/quote]

Well, as gross as I think it is for Christians to co-opt seders, Jesus kept Kashrut and other Jewish laws - because he was a Jew. And using the story of Abraham as an example is - odd - a) it would have been before the Torah was given to the Jews; b) Abraham is said to have kept all of the laws of the Torah anyway; c) his guests were non-Jews, so he could serve them whatever; d) one can eat meat almost immediately after eating dairy - so it's unclear whether they ate the dairy as a first course, and then ate the meat, etc. [/quote]

[b]I am not sure what TORAH or scriptures you are reading but you need to go back and re-read it. Avraham's guests were not not non-Jews, they were the HEBREW God (YAHUAH) and two of his angels traveling with him. YAHUAH went to Avraham BEFORE going to the destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Additionally, Yahusha (the one incorrectly called J.C. -Jesus Christ, kept the same laws as Avraham. He did not bring anything new with him. He came to do away with the non-sensical Judaism customs that complicate serving the Almighty. For example, the Seder plate is non-sensical. Scripture only commands 3 items --roasted lamb, bitter herbs and unleavened bread. We are also to rid our homes of chamets [yeast]
See --> Exodus 12


The rest with a boiled eggs and chopped apples is nothing more than a non-sensical tradition. People complicate matters not the ALmighty. Culture should not trump the instructions of the Almighty. Tradition becoming obligaory means you are becoming like the Pharisees that Yahusha condemned.

[quote]Wacky take. The angels were in disguise. Also, your need to center yourself in Jewish practice is non-sensical.[/quote]

[b]I am pretty sure if meat & dairy is good enough for the Almighty and the angels to eat in one sitting at the same time, its good enough for basic humans. It's literally the definition of charcuterie without the pork. Again it's Judaism making its own rules and making themselves superior to the Almighty and the holy angels. This is why the Messiah condemned Judaic customs that made unnecessary practices.[/b]

For the past five years, we’ve gotten BBQ brisket (not traditional on so many levels) and I’ll never look back!

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Also no dairy or pasta/bread/etc. So brisket and potatoes and a vegetable can be a nice Passover meal.[/quote]

No dairy is not a Pesach prerequisite. [/quote]

Yes that is right (PP here). But you can't do the meat and milk together and a brisket meal is easy to do without dairy. (eg, many Italian meat dishes have cheese).[/quote]

The idea of dairy & meat is not scripturally based but rather rabbincal rules. In scripture, Avraham served Yahuah & the two angels with him bread & a calf dressed with milk & butter.

See: And Avraham hastened into the tent unto El-Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Avraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hastened to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. BERE'SHIYTH (GENESIS) 18:6-8[/quote]

This is why it's so stupid when people say that they want to have a Seder exactly like Jesus did. Jesus did not live under Kosher rules. Jesus did not celebrate Seder like Jews do now. Judaism was not practiced as we know it.[/quote]

Well, as gross as I think it is for Christians to co-opt seders, Jesus kept Kashrut and other Jewish laws - because he was a Jew. And using the story of Abraham as an example is - odd - a) it would have been before the Torah was given to the Jews; b) Abraham is said to have kept all of the laws of the Torah anyway; c) his guests were non-Jews, so he could serve them whatever; d) one can eat meat almost immediately after eating dairy - so it's unclear whether they ate the dairy as a first course, and then ate the meat, etc. [/quote]

[b]I am not sure what TORAH or scriptures you are reading but you need to go back and re-read it. Avraham's guests were not not non-Jews, they were the HEBREW God (YAHUAH) and two of his angels traveling with him. YAHUAH went to Avraham BEFORE going to the destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Additionally, Yahusha (the one incorrectly called J.C. -Jesus Christ, kept the same laws as Avraham. He did not bring anything new with him. He came to do away with the non-sensical Judaism customs that complicate serving the Almighty. For example, the Seder plate is non-sensical. Scripture only commands 3 items --roasted lamb, bitter herbs and unleavened bread. We are also to rid our homes of chamets [yeast]
See --> Exodus 12


The rest with a boiled eggs and chopped apples is nothing more than a non-sensical tradition. People complicate matters not the ALmighty. Culture should not trump the instructions of the Almighty. Tradition becoming obligaory means you are becoming like the Pharisees that Yahusha condemned. [/b][/quote]

Wacky take. The angels were in disguise. Also, your need to center yourself in Jewish practice is non-sensical.

Traditionally, Lamb is served on passover.
Brisket is also common, and is a typical ashkenazi Jewish meal.

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Anonymous wrote:Also no dairy or pasta/bread/etc. So brisket and potatoes and a vegetable can be a nice Passover meal.

No dairy is not a Pesach prerequisite.

Yes that is right (PP here). But you can't do the meat and milk together and a brisket meal is easy to do without dairy. (eg, many Italian meat dishes have cheese).

The idea of dairy & meat is not scripturally based but rather rabbincal rules. In scripture, Avraham served Yahuah & the two angels with him bread & a calf dressed with milk & butter.

See: And Avraham hastened into the tent unto El-Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Avraham ran unto the herd, and fetched a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hastened to dress it. And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat. BERE'SHIYTH (GENESIS) 18:6-8

This is why it's so stupid when people say that they want to have a Seder exactly like Jesus did. Jesus did not live under Kosher rules. Jesus did not celebrate Seder like Jews do now. Judaism was not practiced as we know it.

Well, as gross as I think it is for Christians to co-opt seders, Jesus kept Kashrut and other Jewish laws - because he was a Jew. And using the story of Abraham as an example is - odd - a) it would have been before the Torah was given to the Jews; b) Abraham is said to have kept all of the laws of the Torah anyway; c) his guests were non-Jews, so he could serve them whatever; d) one can eat meat almost immediately after eating dairy - so it's unclear whether they ate the dairy as a first course, and then ate the meat, etc.

I am not sure what TORAH or scriptures you are reading but you need to go back and re-read it. Avraham's guests were not not non-Jews, they were the HEBREW God (YAHUAH) and two of his angels traveling with him. YAHUAH went to Avraham BEFORE going to the destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Additionally, Yahusha (the one incorrectly called J.C. -Jesus Christ, kept the same laws as Avraham. He did not bring anything new with him. He came to do away with the non-sensical Judaism customs that complicate serving the Almighty. For example, the Seder plate is non-sensical. Scripture only commands 3 items --roasted lamb, bitter herbs and unleavened bread. We are also to rid our homes of chamets [yeast]
See --> Exodus 12


The rest with a boiled eggs and chopped apples is nothing more than a non-sensical tradition. People complicate matters not the ALmighty. Culture should not trump the instructions of the Almighty. Tradition becoming obligaory means you are becoming like the Pharisees that Yahusha condemned.

This isn’t a response to OP’s question, but for those who want to cook a brisket: it isn’t such a cheap cut anymore, BUT it’s the one meat I regularly buy at Trader Joe’s. They usually have 3-4 lb kosher and non-kosher briskets that are nicely trimmed. I cook them in my instant pot to make meat for tacos.

Anonymous wrote:Many Jews, myself included, have a Passover meal that is not Kosher so milk and meat is fine. Kosher for Passover and Kosher are two different things.

Yes, but the question is about how the tradition started. Many Jews will eat the non-kosher cuts of meat as well. But the association between brisket and Judaism initially developed in communities that kept kosher.