So as expected, this just boils down to race. And that's to be expected. It is the only lens the left has. They must divide by race...and keep reminding everyone of how bad Africans were treated. Slavery is bad wherever it has existed and wherever it currently exists today. But let's talk about today. Because there are obviously problems today that can be addressed. I will stipulate that there are racial problems in America today, only if the left will stipulate that the USA has the least such problems of any country anywhere in the world.

There is a playbook to success that the US kind of publishes on the down low. Everyone knows what is in the playbook. Many many people, from all walks of life, have used this playbook to build better lives for themselves here. And many people are clamoring to get into the USA because they know and trust in this playbook. This playbook has allowed a diversity of individuals to ascend to heights, whether they be small business owners, musicians, actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, judges, generals, diplomats, vice presidents, presidents, public servants, professors, etc. I'd like to know why the left doesn't want to talk about this playbook more. It seems like it would certainly benefit some of their constituency to know more about it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are progressives so intolerant and closed minded? Why do arrogant progressives viscerally HATE the Unites States?

Eg,

‘Murcia!

Free-dumb!

Hating the subset of people that tried to overthrow out democratically elected government is kinda the complete opposite of “hating America”. I know that is so confusing.

Wait wait, don’t tell me! You mean:

- domestic terrorist, William Ayers, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

Bill Ayers - who plotted to “kill the pigs” (random police officers), when his girlfriend died while making an IED?

Bill Ayers - the shadow advisor to President Obama? (He ghost-wrote Obama’s book). Yeah - Ayers matters.

BTW - his foster kid? Chesa Boudoin - the DA of SF.

SQUIRREL!

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Anonymous wrote:The same reason Nazi's were the only real Germans. It's easier to make an insular us vs them group if the rest of us are also "real Americans". It's radicalization talk that prevents them from thinking for themselves on any topic and possibly disagreeing with far right ideology on any topics.

+1

They want to ignore the whole libertarian and free from persecution strands of our society and want to jam their ethno white christian nationalism on the rest of us.

Exactly!

Real Americans support lower taxes, fewer business regulations, fewer brown immigrants, a boarder wall, and forcing LGBTQ people back into the closet. The implication here that liberals aren't "real Americans" and that any conservative that may disagree with any of these positions (and many others) or even have nuanced views of them are also not "real Americans". It forces more moderate conservatives into more extremist views. I mean, you don't want to tell your conservative friends that you think gay marriage is okay and that you attended your gay cousins wedding do you? That would make you a fake American.

All of which supports my thesis that the defining characteristic of modern Republicans is to be a bully. Bullying is the grease that lubricates the gears of the conservative hate machine.

Professor Frank Wilhot said it best:

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

I can see many, many examples of this at work.

For the in-group, this statement makes clear why there were such vehement protests against lockdowns and vaccine mandates by conservatives during the pandemic or against any form of restrictions on gun rights - each would be a case of actually binding conservatives.
You can see how there are "rules for thee, but not for me" hypocrisy by Republican politicians. Just look at the GOP broken beyond repair thread.
Same with paying taxes. Isn't that just for losers according to the former President? Same with not being held to account (at least to date) across a wide range of alleged crimes. Crime is only for the poor, amirite?

On the other hand, for outgroups, you can see the issues with mandatory sentencing, the war on drugs (e.g., drug arrests for marijuana versus crack cocaine or the opioid epidemic), and police brutality against out minorities as ways to bind them but not protect them. Same with Florida's new anti-LGBTQ law and similar ones. Same with the anti-abortion laws in Texas and elsewhere. None of these protect minorities or women, but they certainly bind them.

Anonymous wrote:Who wouldn’t rather be part of an in group than an out group?

This should be the Democrat’s official party statement. Everything they do involves a popularity contest

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The same reason Nazi's were the only real Germans. It's easier to make an insular us vs them group if the rest of us are also "real Americans". It's radicalization talk that prevents them from thinking for themselves on any topic and possibly disagreeing with far right ideology on any topics.

+1

They want to ignore the whole libertarian and free from persecution strands of our society and want to jam their ethno white christian nationalism on the rest of us.

Exactly!

Real Americans support lower taxes, fewer business regulations, fewer brown immigrants, a boarder wall, and forcing LGBTQ people back into the closet. The implication here that liberals aren't "real Americans" and that any conservative that may disagree with any of these positions (and many others) or even have nuanced views of them are also not "real Americans". It forces more moderate conservatives into more extremist views. I mean, you don't want to tell your conservative friends that you think gay marriage is okay and that you attended your gay cousins wedding do you? That would make you a fake American.

All of which supports my thesis that the defining characteristic of modern Republicans is to be a bully. Bullying is the grease that lubricates the gears of the conservative hate machine.

Exactly

So much this!!!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are progressives so intolerant and closed minded? Why do arrogant progressives viscerally HATE the Unites States?

Eg,

‘Murcia!

Free-dumb!

Hating the subset of people that tried to overthrow out democratically elected government is kinda the complete opposite of “hating America”. I know that is so confusing.

Wait wait, don’t tell me! You mean:

- domestic terrorist, William Ayers, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

Bill Ayers - who plotted to “kill the pigs” (random police officers), when his girlfriend died while making an IED?

Bill Ayers - the shadow advisor to President Obama? (He ghost-wrote Obama’s book). Yeah - Ayers matters.

BTW - his foster kid? Chesa Boudoin - the DA of SF.

See - here is the difference: Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dourhn, the child they raised (Chesa) - they have all brought their extreme radicalism into the mainstream and influenced politicians at the very highest levels of government- including the President of the US.

The jan 6 losers are just that: losers and nobodies. They influence no one and are not respected by anyone.

They are merely a convenient “boogie man” for the left, who make ridiculous claims/headlines like “Jan 6th was the worst attack since W W 2! “

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are progressives so intolerant and closed minded? Why do arrogant progressives viscerally HATE the Unites States?

Eg,

‘Murcia!

Free-dumb!

Hating the subset of people that tried to overthrow out democratically elected government is kinda the complete opposite of “hating America”. I know that is so confusing.

Wait wait, don’t tell me! You mean:

- domestic terrorist, William Ayers, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

Bill Ayers - who plotted to “kill the pigs” (random police officers), when his girlfriend died while making an IED?

Bill Ayers - the shadow advisor to President Obama? (He ghost-wrote Obama’s book). Yeah - Ayers matters.

BTW - his foster kid? Chesa Boudoin - the DA of SF.

You are totally brainwashed. Jesus.

You are trying to distract from our present day crisis of an entire political party supporting an actual insurrection along with obvious SC corruption by bringing up an extremely tenuous connection between a former president to a powerless person from last century. The little mention about Ayers “ghostwriting Obamas book” shows the intellectual level that you are operating from. It’s a total right wing propaganda lie!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are progressives so intolerant and closed minded? Why do arrogant progressives viscerally HATE the Unites States?

Eg,

‘Murcia!

Free-dumb!

Hating the subset of people that tried to overthrow out democratically elected government is kinda the complete opposite of “hating America”. I know that is so confusing.

Wait wait, don’t tell me! You mean:

- domestic terrorist, William Ayers, right? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

Bill Ayers - who plotted to “kill the pigs” (random police officers), when his girlfriend died while making an IED?

Bill Ayers - the shadow advisor to President Obama? (He ghost-wrote Obama’s book). Yeah - Ayers matters.

BTW - his foster kid? Chesa Boudoin - the DA of SF.

Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with love for your country, reverence for the constitution, a desire to not see the Balkanization of the USA, etc. You guys are so funny.

No it doesn't. Your implication that liberal Americans don't have those things show just how one-sided your opinions are.

If anything, it shows a love for the America from the 19th century when most people who were not rich white Americans had limited rights, could not own property and could not vote. They want to see the vigilantes and lynch mobs of white men ruled and ran America. And where people who were not like them were ostracized and told to "get out of town". America has evolved passed that, but some people got left behind and don't like it, so they want to return to their privileged past.

Because they’ve been propagandized for decades and they’re white supremacists who hate women and minorities.

Frankly, I enjoy how much it bothers white supremacists to be reminded that enslaved Black people did as much if not more to make this country what it is, and it was land we stole from people we killed. And women’s unpaid contributions are still unremarked.

Anonymous wrote:The press plays into it. And, Dems are too timid to call out R slurs. Drives me crazy.

This is so true. Rs play and talk dirty, and Ds are expected to just be “civil” and “sophisticated.”

Anonymous wrote:Most of the language of the left is distinctly critical of America. CRT, institutional racism, 1619, etc. I'm not sure why it's difficult to understand why people come to see this as anti-America.

The fact that you see acknowledging that historical events occurred as “hateful” toward America is terrifying.

The press plays into it. And, Dems are too timid to call out R slurs. Drives me crazy.

Anonymous wrote:Most of the language of the left is distinctly critical of America. CRT, institutional racism, 1619, etc. I'm not sure why it's difficult to understand why people come to see this as anti-America.

I mean, it’s not like the indictments of those projects are false.

Most of the language of the left is distinctly critical of America. CRT, institutional racism, 1619, etc. I'm not sure why it's difficult to understand why people come to see this as anti-America.