Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:39
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Have you ever thought,
...it is not fair to the kids who didn't get in?
DP. Nope. I think many, many kids who didn’t get in were very deserving and would do very well at these schools. I also think no kid is “entitled” to an Ivy, a T20, Swarthmore, their dream job, etc., etc., no matter what their scores, GPA, ECs, etc. If a school is single digit admissions, it’s a lottery. Your kid is free to buy a ticket. But almost no kid is guaranteed a win. And the closest thing to a guarantee goes to wealthy legacies and athletes, not URMs. It’s the height of huburus to look at an 8% admit rate and believe that your kid was robbed, vs there being too many great kids and too few slots.
I have long nought athletic preference is unfair, especially in small D3 schools where athletes are a large part of the student body. But, that’s the way it is.
I have long thought that op colleges should publish the number of kids who meet or exceed average recalculated GPa plus 50% and 75% SAT/ACT. I think you’d see that for every kid who gets in to a highly competitive school, there were several kids with the same academic qualifications who don’t.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:37
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Have you ever thought,
...it is not fair to the kids who didn't get in?
Why was unfair? The odds at most of these schools are 10:1. So the kid played long odds at multiple schools and lost. Everyone knows the odds going in. From what we hear here, many, many “high stats” kids did not get into their long odds choices, so it’s nothing personal to your kid. They had a 90% chance of this outcome. Why are you shocked?
I get it that they worked hard. Many kids did (even kids with lower stats) and that work ethic will help them in the work world. They will succeed elsewhere unless they become bitter, so be careful what you are modeling. It’s normal to be disappointed, but ruminating is not normal or helpful.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:37
Subject: Re:Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:A lot of people want college admissions to be like the housing market--where you can get just buy your way in.
Exactly. They cannot believe there are arenas in which they cannot pay their way to the front of the line.
They have actually become so entitled that that feels unfair.
It is comical... or pathetic.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:36
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Have you ever thought,
...it is not fair to the kids who didn't get in?
I'm not sure "it's not fair" is the right framework. When you enter a lottery and don't get picked, it sucks but it's fair. When you work really hard and apply for a job that you are 100 percent qualified for and would be great at, it sucks, but it's not unfair. College admissions is, unfortunately, like that at least at many schools.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:35
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Amen, OP!
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:32
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:Parents and students here aren’t blaming “others”. They are blaming a broken system
Blaming a system they they perceive as favoring kids who are different to their own creates an “others” mentality.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:32
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Many of the posts in this thread are proving my point and blaming the kids who didn’t get in (and their parents!). Disgusting.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:29
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Thanks
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:29
Subject: Re:Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
A lot of people want college admissions to be like the housing market--where you can get just buy your way in.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:28
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Thanks, OP.
I have a child who got into her dream school EA that other "higher ranked" kids at her school got deferred from...and they are openly talking about getting "yield protected" in front of her.
She is a well-qualified, high stats kid with some interesting ECs that these kids don't know about. She also reached out to professors in her area of interest and spoke to a couple of majors in the department. Did that make the difference? Did they do those things too? I have no idea. But I do know that those kids have no idea that she did those things. They just know that she is "ranked" a few slots down from them and that they feel entitled to her spot.
It makes her feel terrible but, in reality, it reflects badly on them.
I have a child who got into her dream school EA that other "higher ranked" kids at her school got deferred from...and they are openly talking about getting "yield protected" in front of her.
She is a well-qualified, high stats kid with some interesting ECs that these kids don't know about. She also reached out to professors in her area of interest and spoke to a couple of majors in the department. Did that make the difference? Did they do those things too? I have no idea. But I do know that those kids have no idea that she did those things. They just know that she is "ranked" a few slots down from them and that they feel entitled to her spot.
It makes her feel terrible but, in reality, it reflects badly on them.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:26
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Great post- well said, OP.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:25
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:I am really sorry that so many kids are hurting right now because of the college rejections. It hurts, I know. Especially when your child has worked hard and seems to be well qualified for these schools by objective measures, like GPA and test scores. My DC is one of these kids, having just been rejected or WL from seven schools over the last two weeks (and rejected ED in December).
The fact is, many schools are simply flooded with applications from well qualified students and cannot accept them all. So they make tough decisions and make decisions based on very quick reviews of applications, many of which are basically indistinguishable from one another. In some cases, they may look "unfair" because we see other kids in our orbit getting into the same school that our kid gets rejected from and we can't imagine what that kid had that ours didn't.
So, to make ourselves and our kids feel better, there is so much blaming--blaming other "lesser" URM kids, "lesser" public schools with grade inflation, "yield protection", etc.....and it is not fair to the kids who did get in. And, to be honest, it's not good for our own kids--it only feeds grievances. Let's teach them graciousness and grit. It will serve everyone better.
So, to all the kids out there who were accepted to Rice, Hopkins, Wash U, Rice, Northeastern, CMU, Northwestern: Congratulations to you! You deserve it! You are worthy of that acceptance. You earned it.
Have you ever thought,
...it is not fair to the kids who didn't get in?
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:24
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Parents and students here aren’t blaming “others”. They are blaming a broken system
This. Thank you.
Really? Despite the low percentage of URM kids at some schools, I've see many claims that they are why posters' kids aren't getting in. So, yeah, that's blaming others.
Yep. If you are ''blaming the system,'' you're really just blaming it for not favoring applicants like your child any more.
+1. Those of you blaming the system are cleaely either too stupid to understand the basics of supply and demand or riding on a strong wave of gross entitlement. So it's not surprising that admission committees picked up on those undesirable attributes in your kids and said, "NEXT!" If anyone is to "blame," it's you - the parents.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:24
Subject: Re:Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Anonymous wrote:The process may be broken, but we also must understand that capacity at the best schools has not kept pace with the increase in applications. Moreover, there are just more qualified kids. In the past, not everyone was aware of how to play the game at elite schools, but now more people test prep, develop hooks, and are aware of needs-blind admissions. Also, there are so many more opportunities for poor and/or minority kids to attend elite colleges, like Questbridge. Is sum, I don’t know if the system is broken as much as people don’t realize there is a supply constraint even as demand increases. That means the “price” - in this case, the acceptance hurdle - must go higher, which means a lower acceptance rate.
Right. Which means that checking all the boxes for Harvard are necessary, but not sufficient, for admission.
Anonymous
03/27/2022 12:17
Subject: Please. Stop. Blaming. Others.
Typo: meant "lashing out" in their own pain. not "laughing out"