Anonymous
03/15/2022 20:51
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
DCPS could fix this if they wanted to. Many states ban contributions to public schools, or limit them to minimal amounts.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 20:03
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Okay Bye then. By making your schools “whole” with private funding it’s already like you’ve left the rest of us for the privates. Why do the UMC of DC consistently threaten us with their wallets
Great, cut off your nose to spite your face as public school stakeholders, while making the best the enemy of the good.
At our strongly UMC DCPS EotP, the PTA has paid for a much better after-school tutoring program for kids who struggle academically, most of them low SES and minority, than DCPS provided before the PTA-financed program began 4 or 5 years ago. How will the poor kids at our school benefit if the UMC families bolt for privates and the burbs? Please explain. More PTAs should copy us, so encourage that process why don't you?
If you think what’s being funded in most schools is “good” you have a really incorrect viewpoint of dcps schools. It’s awesome that your PTA does those things for your students, but 1) that’s still incredibly inequitable to schools that don’t have those PTAs and 2) disincentivizes DCPS from funding bc so many schools feel like their PTA can cover dc budget gaps. Stop with this savior nonsense
We've been in DCPS for almost a decade and I'm not buying your sanctimonious BS. So often, equity is often in the eye of the bolder. Eliminate PTA fundraising in DCPS and you lose far more than you gain in the big picture. Young UMC families who put down roots in DC neighborhoods on the foundation of public schools they're excited about do far more than invest in schools. They invest in neighborhoods, substantially. They lobby DDOT to pave alleys, build church and scouting communities, support youth sports, volunteer at a variety of local organizations. Stop with this holier than thou nonsense.
All of that does nothing for the kids at my school. In fact it highlights how absurd it is that families have the ability to shape the experience, yet anytime you look at a thread on this site families recommend the same schools. We’re not building an equitable system, we’re perpetuating a space where the rich get richer, and get to feel good about themselves by giving a donation to the “poorer kids” (your words not mine)
Anonymous
03/15/2022 19:46
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Okay Bye then. By making your schools “whole” with private funding it’s already like you’ve left the rest of us for the privates. Why do the UMC of DC consistently threaten us with their wallets
Great, cut off your nose to spite your face as public school stakeholders, while making the best the enemy of the good.
At our strongly UMC DCPS EotP, the PTA has paid for a much better after-school tutoring program for kids who struggle academically, most of them low SES and minority, than DCPS provided before the PTA-financed program began 4 or 5 years ago. How will the poor kids at our school benefit if the UMC families bolt for privates and the burbs? Please explain. More PTAs should copy us, so encourage that process why don't you?
If you think what’s being funded in most schools is “good” you have a really incorrect viewpoint of dcps schools. It’s awesome that your PTA does those things for your students, but 1) that’s still incredibly inequitable to schools that don’t have those PTAs and 2) disincentivizes DCPS from funding bc so many schools feel like their PTA can cover dc budget gaps. Stop with this savior nonsense
We've been in DCPS for almost a decade and I'm not buying your sanctimonious BS. So often, equity is often in the eye of the bolder. Eliminate PTA fundraising in DCPS and you lose far more than you gain in the big picture. Young UMC families who put down roots in DC neighborhoods on the foundation of public schools they're excited about do far more than invest in schools. They invest in neighborhoods, substantially. They lobby DDOT to pave alleys, build church and scouting communities, support youth sports, volunteer at a variety of local organizations. Stop with this holier than thou nonsense.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 19:30
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:At one of those pre-pandemic. 2,500/kid
What! That's three times the (already absurd) expectation at Janney.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 19:19
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Okay Bye then. By making your schools “whole” with private funding it’s already like you’ve left the rest of us for the privates. Why do the UMC of DC consistently threaten us with their wallets
Great, cut off your nose to spite your face as public school stakeholders, while making the best the enemy of the good.
At our strongly UMC DCPS EotP, the PTA has paid for a much better after-school tutoring program for kids who struggle academically, most of them low SES and minority, than DCPS provided before the PTA-financed program began 4 or 5 years ago. How will the poor kids at our school benefit if the UMC families bolt for privates and the burbs? Please explain. More PTAs should copy us, so encourage that process why don't you?
If you think what’s being funded in most schools is “good” you have a really incorrect viewpoint of dcps schools. It’s awesome that your PTA does those things for your students, but 1) that’s still incredibly inequitable to schools that don’t have those PTAs and 2) disincentivizes DCPS from funding bc so many schools feel like their PTA can cover dc budget gaps. Stop with this savior nonsense
Anonymous
03/15/2022 18:38
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Okay Bye then. By making your schools “whole” with private funding it’s already like you’ve left the rest of us for the privates. Why do the UMC of DC consistently threaten us with their wallets
Great, cut off your nose to spite your face as public school stakeholders, while making the best the enemy of the good.
At our strongly UMC DCPS EotP, the PTA has paid for a much better after-school tutoring program for kids who struggle academically, most of them low SES and minority, than DCPS provided before the PTA-financed program began 4 or 5 years ago. How will the poor kids at our school benefit if the UMC families bolt for privates and the burbs? Please explain. More PTAs should copy us, so encourage that process why don't you?
Anonymous
03/15/2022 18:27
Subject: Re:Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Gross. Tell me more how there isn't systemic racism and inequity in DC.
+1
Anonymous
03/15/2022 18:25
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Anonymous
03/15/2022 18:18
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Okay Bye then. By making your schools “whole” with private funding it’s already like you’ve left the rest of us for the privates. Why do the UMC of DC consistently threaten us with their wallets
Anonymous
03/15/2022 18:10
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much more funding per pupil do T1 schools get?
Nowhere near enough to cover the extra needs. You're welcome to switch to a T1 if you think it's a better deal.
We are already at a T1 but thanks so much for the attitude.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 16:32
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
It absolutely leads to inter-school inequity, but within a single school, lots of PTO money goes towards explicitly equitable purposes. Our school spends a chunk of its budget to subsidize aftercare & activities for kids who need it, $ so that every community event is either totally free or free to those who indicate paying would be cost prohibitive, $ for a family emergency fund for the school's social workers to spend, $ to make school apparel free for those who need it, etc, etc. It really isn't an equity v inequity calculation.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 15:40
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here - sorry, I didn't realize there were so many previous discussions about these schools' suggested PTA donations. I have an answer.
The answer should be "Don't" Why is it okay that the richer schools have better access to resources.
You might be better off in NOVA where they have voted in someone else who believes that there is no such thing as white privilege
Who? Youngkin?! LOL. Talk about elitist.
Anonymous
03/15/2022 15:13
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
The alternative is that parents flee for private for VA/MD publics
Anonymous
03/15/2022 13:57
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.
Yes, and then it just becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for families.
1) New parents crowdsource on the internet for "good" (white schools) and the same 5-6 names pop up;
2) Parent sends kid to the high SES school, they then give extra money to those schools for things like interventionists and additional teaching aides/technology
3) Parent joins group of people in belief that school is "good" when its really just better funded which shows in improved test scores and proficiency
4) New parents reach out to previous parent who joins the cult of donations
5) The rest of the city suffers
Anonymous
03/15/2022 13:55
Subject: Donation expectations at "small" publics like Ross/Eaton/Mann/Hyde-Addison/Key?
+1000. Want equity? Move to VA.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is ridiculous. It leads to inequity.
The problem is that DCPS counts on the fundraising when it sets school budgets. So you can't step off of the treadmill now.
The bigger problem is there is absolutely no transparency when it comes to budgeting at DCPS, each school gets a per-pupil number but it's a complete mystery where those numbers come from. So it's impossible to even talk about things like equity and budgeting because nobody really knows.