Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:30     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
I think Ilya needs to talk to the Cato Institute about staying on board. He needs to retract his acceptance of the Georgetown offer.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:29     Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The children of former soviets are some of the worst for this weird autocratic crap. I'm assuming just by his name that Ilya Shapiro falls into that category. It's a toxic soup of paranoia, distrust in government institutions, and the inability to function without having a boot on their neck. Ilya probably needs a big strong rich guy like Koch to tell him what to do.

And then they somehow tie it into them all being the saviors of western civilization...

It's seriously odd. Like some demented boy's fanfiction gone wrong


I am the person who posted previously about knowing him when we were in our 20s. You guessed right. He and his family moved to Canada from the Soviet union. They wanted to go to the United States but weren’t able to get in. His mother died when he was a teen and it was just he and his dad. He wanted to get to the states so he went there as an undergrad. When I knew him we were in London together and I think he was somehow trying to get to the states. Or maybe he and his father had already moved there and he already had the ability to.But I think maybe that was one of the reasons he went to law school, because he could get a visa. This may be somewhat inaccurate. But he definitely is originally from the Soviet union. He just seemed like this kid who had grown up in several different countries in a kind of uncomfortable way as an only child and then his mom died and he was kind of socially awkward in an often brush and insulting way. But I feel kind of bad for him because he didn’t seem to of had an easy life. There are probably a lot of typos in this because I’m doing it on my phone. Sorry


No, you're fine re: typos.

What you're saying makes me feel bad for him too. At least in the abstract. The vulture capitalism boy-heroic bullshit that Koch's acolytes are into makes my stomach turn, however.

(And I am, fwiw, not really a liberal. Except compared to these yahoos.)

I didn’t realize this was a thing until now. But it’s definitely a thing. It’s like their brains are broken. Remember Orly Taitz and the Birthers? More prominent now we have Julia Ioffe, who had a weird fetish for Richard Spencer. Also this lady: https://www.foxnews.com/media/soviet-immigrant-democrat-critical-race-theory-resembles-marxist-curriculum


"'True democracy' is a Marxist term, " Kaplan said... (From the article.)

Apparently, she thinks it means "abolishing private property."

Sure, because that makes sense. (Eye roll.)

Up is down. Black is white. Distorting the meaning of words like this is very Soviet. And yes, there are people on the far left playing this game just as much as people on the far right. The kind of people who make arguments from eggshells by telling you what the words you use mean, by divorcing words from context or history. By establishing icons instead of dialogue.

To say their brains are "broken" is probably a stretch, but there is something going on here that's profoundly "unwestern," despite all the talk about saving western civ.

I mean, let's face it: Poland, Hungary and Russia (to name three nations whose leaders obsessed with this concept)... Not exactly part of humanist movements that define classical western civ. Ever.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:21     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
And cue Shapiro’s wife whining on FB about how people were so mean to her husband in 3… 2… 1…
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:18     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


I am starting to think the definition of cancel culture is being held accountable for your words and actions.


He definitely chose his words poorly. Based on the the evidence, what is the appropriate consequence? He apologized. He deleted the post. I believe he was chastised or his words were condemned by the school administration. He should do better at choosing his words in the future. Is that enough? Does his head need to roll? Given how quickly he apologized and deleted the post, I'd guess he won't do it again.

How would you feel if you were a Black woman student in Professor Shapiro’s law classes? Or if you were applying to clerkships or jobs with a recommendation from him?
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:18     Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Ilya isn't man enough to own up to his words, so now he has sock puppets arguing that he's the real victim. This is also so typical as to be playbook.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:17     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


I am starting to think the definition of cancel culture is being held accountable for your words and actions.

Indeed. Should be called consequences culture.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:13     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


I am starting to think the definition of cancel culture is being held accountable for your words and actions.


He definitely chose his words poorly. Based on the the evidence, what is the appropriate consequence? He apologized. He deleted the post. I believe he was chastised or his words were condemned by the school administration. He should do better at choosing his words in the future. Is that enough? Does his head need to roll? Given how quickly he apologized and deleted the post, I'd guess he won't do it again.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 13:00     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


I am starting to think the definition of cancel culture is being held accountable for your words and actions.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:57     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.

He tweeted that any Black woman in America is unqualified for the Supreme Court. That’s categorically racist.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:46     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


His tweets are very obviously racist. If he were making a good faith argument about qualifications then you would have expected him to have made the same argument about Amy Coney Barrett - but obviously he did not.

And how about his position at Georgetown law. Does he have an asterix beside his name because he was clearly a right wing diversity hire?
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:38     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.


What he said was racist. Lipstick on a pig. Conservatives love cancel culture. Plus, it's not cancel culture, it's called accountability and you don't get to say anything you want and there not be consequences. If he worked for me I would fire him.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:19     Subject: Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
This whole thread is a disgusting smear campaign. It is classic cancel-culture.

And as is typical of cancel culture: it is based on lies. Ilya is in no way a racist! Just because you disagree with his politics does not give you the right to lie about him or make baseless claims of racism.

I am reporting this thread. It should be deleted.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:13     Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amid all of this sanctimonious posturing about the Kochs, please note that the left outspends the right when it comes to dark money:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/11/arabella-advisors-money-democrats/620553/

And the Twitter mob trying to cancel Shapiro should probably know that he has previously recommended other minority candidates (such as Sri Srinivasan and Janice Rodgers Brown) as prospective SC justices. His objection was to Biden's ridiculous identity politics pandering given that Biden said he would only consider a black woman as a nominee. Kind of ironic given that Biden blocked nominations of other minority candidates to federal and SC positions:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1486862347901800450?cxt=HHwWhMC4ya_bsqIpAAAA

You don't have to agree with Shapiro, but cavalierly smearing someone on social media as a racist and trying to get them fired is pathetic cowardice.


PP here. The bolded is fascinating, and maybe one of the least self-aware things I have ever read. The "Twitter mob" didn't dig up an obscure Shapiro footnote from 10 years ago - Shapiro self-published those Tweets! He thought those thoughts, then wrote them down, and hit enter. And yes, we know he likes Srinivasan, because he called him out by name and said that Srinivasan would be a better choice than a yet unnamed nominee and then made sure to emphasize that whoever is nominated will be a "lesser black woman."

How do you think the Chief Justice of the DC Court of Appeals felt about all that? How do you think Georgetown Law, who probably values the relationships they can cultivate with both the DC Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court felt?

You can delete and apologize and it's good that Shapiro did, but yeah, this might get him fired. I'm not rooting for it. But if it happens, it's not going to be the Twitter mob that did it. It's Shapiro's own words and actions.


Yup. He should own up to his mistakes and take some personal accountability.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:07     Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amid all of this sanctimonious posturing about the Kochs, please note that the left outspends the right when it comes to dark money:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/11/arabella-advisors-money-democrats/620553/

And the Twitter mob trying to cancel Shapiro should probably know that he has previously recommended other minority candidates (such as Sri Srinivasan and Janice Rodgers Brown) as prospective SC justices. His objection was to Biden's ridiculous identity politics pandering given that Biden said he would only consider a black woman as a nominee. Kind of ironic given that Biden blocked nominations of other minority candidates to federal and SC positions:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AGHamilton29/status/1486862347901800450?cxt=HHwWhMC4ya_bsqIpAAAA

You don't have to agree with Shapiro, but cavalierly smearing someone on social media as a racist and trying to get them fired is pathetic cowardice.


PP here. The bolded is fascinating, and maybe one of the least self-aware things I have ever read. The "Twitter mob" didn't dig up an obscure Shapiro footnote from 10 years ago - Shapiro self-published those Tweets! He thought those thoughts, then wrote them down, and hit enter. And yes, we know he likes Srinivasan, because he called him out by name and said that Srinivasan would be a better choice than a yet unnamed nominee and then made sure to emphasize that whoever is nominated will be a "lesser black woman."

How do you think the Chief Justice of the DC Court of Appeals felt about all that? How do you think Georgetown Law, who probably values the relationships they can cultivate with both the DC Court of Appeals and the Supreme Court felt?

You can delete and apologize and it's good that Shapiro did, but yeah, this might get him fired. I'm not rooting for it. But if it happens, it's not going to be the Twitter mob that did it. It's Shapiro's own words and actions.

It’s crazy projection. Shapiro was trying to prevent people from getting employment based on his view that they were unqualified and only selected based on their race.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2022 12:05     Subject: Re:Turns out the Falls Church school board guy from the Koch thinktank, Ilya Shapiro, really is toxic
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The children of former soviets are some of the worst for this weird autocratic crap. I'm assuming just by his name that Ilya Shapiro falls into that category. It's a toxic soup of paranoia, distrust in government institutions, and the inability to function without having a boot on their neck. Ilya probably needs a big strong rich guy like Koch to tell him what to do.

And then they somehow tie it into them all being the saviors of western civilization...

It's seriously odd. Like some demented boy's fanfiction gone wrong


I am the person who posted previously about knowing him when we were in our 20s. You guessed right. He and his family moved to Canada from the Soviet union. They wanted to go to the United States but weren’t able to get in. His mother died when he was a teen and it was just he and his dad. He wanted to get to the states so he went there as an undergrad. When I knew him we were in London together and I think he was somehow trying to get to the states. Or maybe he and his father had already moved there and he already had the ability to.But I think maybe that was one of the reasons he went to law school, because he could get a visa. This may be somewhat inaccurate. But he definitely is originally from the Soviet union. He just seemed like this kid who had grown up in several different countries in a kind of uncomfortable way as an only child and then his mom died and he was kind of socially awkward in an often brush and insulting way. But I feel kind of bad for him because he didn’t seem to of had an easy life. There are probably a lot of typos in this because I’m doing it on my phone. Sorry


No, you're fine re: typos.

What you're saying makes me feel bad for him too. At least in the abstract. The vulture capitalism boy-heroic bullshit that Koch's acolytes are into makes my stomach turn, however.

(And I am, fwiw, not really a liberal. Except compared to these yahoos.)

I didn’t realize this was a thing until now. But it’s definitely a thing. It’s like their brains are broken. Remember Orly Taitz and the Birthers? More prominent now we have Julia Ioffe, who had a weird fetish for Richard Spencer. Also this lady: https://www.foxnews.com/media/soviet-immigrant-democrat-critical-race-theory-resembles-marxist-curriculum