Anonymous wrote:OMG. Is this really a serious question? I'm sorry, this post just seems to validate that many people in the world are both ignorant and arrogant. Obviously, your question would be more appropriately answered in the LGBT forum section. It seems you are just seeking validation on your personal ultra conservative views posting this question in the religion forum.

Disorders of sex development (DSD) is a real thing. Even if people may not show external visible symptoms at birth or puberty, you must keep in mind that many DSD people could be on the spectrum which is very hard to diagnose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development

I'm a female heterosexual with visible external signs of hyperandrogenism since puberty and I am still having a hard time getting a diagnosis. Besides the few people who might 'experiment', homosexuality is largely genetic and something that they cannot 'fix' with religion.

I am usually labelled liberal.

I do not see being gay as a disorder.

More of a condition caused by DNA.

DNA controls our chemistry which effects us all, including how we think.

Think menopause etc.

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DL

If you believe in God, then God created gays and He must be fine with homosexuality.
If you don't believe in God, then you don't have a religious objection to homosexuality.

Anonymous wrote:Why dies the cause matter?

It matters because the religious are hating what God created to be gay.

It matters because we should not discriminate against anyone without a just cause.

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Gnostic wrote:Are homosexual natures created by nurture, nature, or God?

I think the answer is is quite important as it would show us the cause/source of homosexuality.

If God, as believers think, then why is God creating gays?

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Where else will the Catholic Church find clergy?

You are referring to their pedophile problem, which is not a really gay issue.

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DL

Anonymous wrote:Since this is religion where is this documented

Where is what documented, and do you need it to make up your mind?

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Anonymous wrote:By Hod. The Episcopal church doesn’t think this is a problem and our minister is gay.

Nice that you went to the left of the religious spectrum instead of the right wing of Christianity.

A small point as I am not against sex out of marriage for adults.

Is your minister married or having sex outside of marriage?

Do you frown on any adult, gay or straight having sex without marriage?

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DL

Minister here - Right wing “Christian” Evangelicals are not Christians. I know they truly believe they are. But, they are nothing like the Christ they claim to follow. And that’s the entire point of Christianity. To be Christ-like. There is no rebuttal to that. Christ would not even recognize these people.

Anonymous wrote:God - Greek Orthodox here.

Why do some Christian homophobes hate what God created?

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Anonymous wrote:By Hod. The Episcopal church doesn’t think this is a problem and our minister is gay.

Nice that you went to the left of the religious spectrum instead of the right wing of Christianity.

A small point as I am not against sex out of marriage for adults.

Is your minister married or having sex outside of marriage?

Do you frown on any adult, gay or straight having sex without marriage?

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DL

Anonymous wrote:God.

assuming there is a god. No one knows. Some people believe in him, others don't. He's never directly revealed himself, so there's a clue.

Delete this thread, please. Thank you.

The Bible actually only mentions male homosexuality as a sin. It never mentions lesbians. So God is cool with that.

Anonymous wrote:Lordy. Stop making it more complicated than it is. People are gay because they are attracted to people of the same sex. It really is that simple. My youngest (DS20) is gay. There is nothing psychologically wrong with him. He is attracted to men. He has been in a committed relationship with his boyfriend for over a year. They are no different than any other couple.

Jesus does not care. He never mentioned it. God does not care. The verse so often (mis)interpreted references men lying with young boys. Not consenting adults. Y’all need to get your minds right.

/minister who is so sick of this shi7.

lol.. there's a bit of irony in your post. But, point made.

Anonymous wrote:Why does it matter? God created us all with free will

I grapple with this as a Christian.

A sin is a sin is a sin.

A hetero person who commits adultery repeatedly is just as sinful as a gay person who has gay sex, from a purely Biblical perspective.

But if you say that gay sex is a sin, then this person can never express their love to the person they love. That seems ... wrong.

Unlike some complete puritans, I think God made sex pleasurable for humans on purpose. Read the Song of Solomon.. very erotic (sometimes silly for today's language). A gay person should be able to express their love just as much as a hetero person.

IMO, love and fidelity are more important than what gender the person you are having sex with.

Jesus actually never talked about homosexuality. He talked about love. The verse about a man and woman in marriage is in context of the culture where a marriage was between a man and a woman. In that culture and society, there was no "marriage" per se between people of the same gender.

He condemned infidelity and sexual immorality. The words "sexual immorality" could easily mean "sex outside of marriage", and indeed, many conservative Christians see it that way.

How many of us had sex before we got married? If gay sex is committing "sexually immorality", then a lot of Christians have committed the same type of "sexual immorality" sin.

Lordy. Stop making it more complicated than it is. People are gay because they are attracted to people of the same sex. It really is that simple. My youngest (DS20) is gay. There is nothing psychologically wrong with him. He is attracted to men. He has been in a committed relationship with his boyfriend for over a year. They are no different than any other couple.

Jesus does not care. He never mentioned it. God does not care. The verse so often (mis)interpreted references men lying with young boys. Not consenting adults. Y’all need to get your minds right.

/minister who is so sick of this shi7.

Nature=God