Anonymous wrote:As someone who doesn’t believe children should be taught to see each other as a race first or that every bad result someone gets is due to race, I think a club that actually reads Derrick Ball et. al, their backgrounds, what they base the theory on and opposing arguments would be a great idea and really a lot of fun.

I hope the club is a great experience and helpful to the kids.

Are you a UMC white person who was taught by parents not to see color? Genuine question.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

It's fine for the white kids. Black kids should just stay away.

Black and white kids that want to be future productive members of society should stay away.

The main tenet of CRT today is that any disparity among racial groups is due to systemic racism. Besides being highly controversial, and providing no tangible employable skill, if this is what you want your child’s future career, good luck to her, she’s going to need plenty of it.

This is hyperbolic BS. As if participating in a CRT (or whatever) club in HS means your going for a college degree in "Marxist-afro-queer intersectional studies."

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My super smart STEM kid would love something like this. She’s a science nerd AND a compassionate person who cares about her community.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

It's fine for the white kids. Black kids should just stay away.

Black and white kids that want to be future productive members of society should stay away.

The main tenet of CRT today is that any disparity among racial groups is due to systemic racism. Besides being highly controversial, and providing no tangible employable skill, if this is what you want your child’s future career, good luck to her, she’s going to need plenty of it.

This is hyperbolic BS. As if participating in a CRT (or whatever) club in HS means your going for a college degree in "Marxist-afro-queer intersectional studies."

It’s not hyperbolic at all.

Future engineers participate in robotics clubs.
Future scientists and mathematicians participate in science and math olympiads.
Future lawyers participate in debate and model UN clubs.

People develop their interests and aptitudes way before college, extracurricular clubs in high school is one such venue. See a pattern?

Future waiters with useless degrees and student debt participate in CRT club. I’m quite sure not many in the CRT club will get degrees in engineering and sciences.

The suggestion of setting an ally club is laughable. As if the dream of every teenager is to be the secondary character in someone else’s story. I want my kids to be leaders not followers.

Marxist-afro-queer intersectional studies is exactly what I don’t want my child to study, or at least not while a co-sign their student loan.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

It's fine for the white kids. Black kids should just stay away.

Black and white kids that want to be future productive members of society should stay away.

The main tenet of CRT today is that any disparity among racial groups is due to systemic racism. Besides being highly controversial, and providing no tangible employable skill, if this is what you want your child’s future career, good luck to her, she’s going to need plenty of it.

This is hyperbolic BS. As if participating in a CRT (or whatever) club in HS means your going for a college degree in "Marxist-afro-queer intersectional studies."

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OP is a troll trying to stir CRT controversy.

You almost got me, OP. Trolling done exquisitely … slow clap …

troll

Anonymous wrote:Is there a white ally group? It is one thing to discuss. Your daughter and friends should translate that into action. How can they help remedy 400 years of oppression?

They should quit school and become professional activists. That’s the remedy, finally white kids can live a life of meaninglessness and poverty.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

It's fine for the white kids. Black kids should just stay away.

Black and white kids that want to be future productive members of society should stay away.

The main tenet of CRT today is that any disparity among racial groups is due to systemic racism. Besides being highly controversial, and providing no tangible employable skill, if this is what you want your child’s future career, good luck to her, she’s going to need plenty of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

It's fine for the white kids. Black kids should just stay away.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

Not to get into the politics of it, but you are bringing an example from half a century ago. Suit yourself, for sure you’d be wrecking that student’s ability to build future wealth with an ethnic studies degree and $200k in student loans. Another $200k for a Master degree and she’s really screwed for the rest of her life.

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.

Oh total waste of time. Maybe they should do chess instead. Memorizing ways to move people around on some squares would be a much better use of time than discussing thing like how banks charged Black people higher interest rates and the way that has impacted their ability to build wealth.

How does your daughter define CRT OP?

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who doesn’t believe children should be taught to see each other as a race first or that every bad result someone gets is due to race, I think a club that actually reads Derrick Ball et. al, their backgrounds, what they base the theory on and opposing arguments would be a great idea and really a lot of fun.

I hope the club is a great experience and helpful to the kids.

What the heck does that have to do with CRT? CRT is a lens to look at how racism is embedded in institutions and systems--not people.

CRT assumes every individual unavoidably sees other individuals through the lens of race. See, e.g. "implicit bias" or "white privilege" enjoyed by people who are not, in any realistic sense, "privileged."

You don't need to invoke the boogeyman that is CRT to talk about these concepts. Whether or not people see others through the lease of race is a psychological question, and what constitutes privilege is an economic question as well as a sociological question. CRT was developed in the 1970s and people have been studying race and racism for much longer.

Is there a white ally group? It is one thing to discuss. Your daughter and friends should translate that into action. How can they help remedy 400 years of oppression?

Genuine question. Am I the only person that thinks this club would be an utter waste of time? It feels like one of those classes called “current events”, which provide no meaningful instruction. That kind of extracurricular seems to lead to a degree in gender/ethnic studies with a fast track for a barista job at Starbucks. I realize everyone is different, but personally I would dissuade my child to participate in such a club. Why not doing some more meaningful and useful like volunteering, an internship, a sport, band, high school newspaper, or a club that adds some academic benefit like robotics, debate etc.

Of all possible activities, doing a club about CRT seems like one of the worst choices.