Anonymous
12/22/2021 18:05
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I won’t support any business that enforces this terrible form of discrimination
I am 99% sure you're being facetious, but hard to tell these days.
It is quite literally discrimination based on medical history. Separating society into two classes has historically proven a really, really bad idea and I won’t support it.
No, it isn't discrimination based on medical history (and the suggestion that it is is frankly offensive to people who actually are disabled or have medical histories that can leave them subject to discrimination).
It's discrimination based on a choice. And guess what? Society wouldn't function without that kind of discrimination.
We "discriminate" against people who don't educate their kids, or pay taxes, or drive drunk, or do 10 million other things.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 18:02
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?
This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.
Y'all are confusing two things. Your argument is against the vax mandate DC has announced.
This thread is about a vax passport that allows business or other entities (doctor's offices, private schools, employers, whatever) that want or need to check vax status to do so easily--and decreases chance of faked cards. IT'S NOT ABOUT A MANDATE. go to the other thread for that.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:57
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:I am vaccinated and boostered and I wear a mask but something about a vaccine passport, showing proof, doesn’t sit well with me. How will it be enforced? Is my passport going to be scanned at businesses? Will this information be reported back to a government entity? Is it just theater?
This. And it's just another way to hurt businesses. Let them police their own business the way they want.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:55
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
so interesting that they keep concentrating “on places where you sit for an hour without a mask”. My kid is in middle school, they have assigned seating this year. He sits with 7 others, all are vaccinated. All are positive except for my son. My son was the last one to get vaccinated so his vaccine is more recent (he turned 12 August 31). We know that every child at the table is vaccinated because we know the families, the kids chose the seats. So I don’t think this vaccine passport will help stopping the spread in restaurants. It’s one anecdote of course, but still…more likely the passports are designed to force people into vaccination.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:48
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:with 85% vaccinated in MoCo, it’s pretty much just babies 0-5 who will not be able to get a passport. Do we really need vaccine passports to identify who is not a baby?
This one would be for 12+. Supposedly it's because we have so many international and out of town visitors here. So it's to protect people who are already vaccinated, many of them boosted, too.....Wait a minute....
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:48
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I won’t support any business that enforces this terrible form of discrimination
I am 99% sure you're being facetious, but hard to tell these days.
It is quite literally discrimination based on medical history. Separating society into two classes has historically proven a really, really bad idea and I won’t support it.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:46
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not gonna happen.
Why? We are the most pro-vax county (have highest vax rates) in the country. Tons of places already have vax passports--CA, Washington state, Colorado, NYC, etc. Why would we not want to make it easy to zip in and out of places that choose to verify vax status?
This doesn't mean business have to require vaccinations--it's just a way to make it easier if they want to. I am already patronizing places in MoCo that check vax status (ranging from Strathmore to Jose Andres restaurants to Marjorie Merriwather Post). Most places don't. Vax passports don't force businesses to start requiring vaccines, they just make it more efficient for those that do.
Every time the idea comes up, it disappears soon after. I see this would be for restaurants and other places where people are maskless. Do you want to be the business owner vax scanner a police officer who wants to patronize your business but who may or may not be vaxxed? If you are a council member, do you really want to alienate the union trades and professions who may or may not have unvaccinated members? Not. Gonna. Happen.
Why is it impossible here politically when it was possible in places with lower vax rates, like those listed above?
It is what it is, to use a trite phrase.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:46
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
with 85% vaccinated in MoCo, it’s pretty much just babies 0-5 who will not be able to get a passport. Do we really need vaccine passports to identify who is not a baby?
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:45
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not gonna happen.
Why? We are the most pro-vax county (have highest vax rates) in the country. Tons of places already have vax passports--CA, Washington state, Colorado, NYC, etc. Why would we not want to make it easy to zip in and out of places that choose to verify vax status?
This doesn't mean business have to require vaccinations--it's just a way to make it easier if they want to. I am already patronizing places in MoCo that check vax status (ranging from Strathmore to Jose Andres restaurants to Marjorie Merriwather Post). Most places don't. Vax passports don't force businesses to start requiring vaccines, they just make it more efficient for those that do.
And I cancel you out because we actively avoid places with the stupid vax mandate! We skipped a show at Olney Theater because of it.
I’m sure they don’t care much either way. And I’m vaccinated. But the vax mandate makes me pretty mad for some reason.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:43
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:I won’t support any business that enforces this terrible form of discrimination
I am 99% sure you're being facetious, but hard to tell these days.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:42
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
I won’t support any business that enforces this terrible form of discrimination
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:39
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not gonna happen.
Why? We are the most pro-vax county (have highest vax rates) in the country. Tons of places already have vax passports--CA, Washington state, Colorado, NYC, etc. Why would we not want to make it easy to zip in and out of places that choose to verify vax status?
This doesn't mean business have to require vaccinations--it's just a way to make it easier if they want to. I am already patronizing places in MoCo that check vax status (ranging from Strathmore to Jose Andres restaurants to Marjorie Merriwather Post). Most places don't. Vax passports don't force businesses to start requiring vaccines, they just make it more efficient for those that do.
Every time the idea comes up, it disappears soon after. I see this would be for restaurants and other places where people are maskless. Do you want to be the business owner vax scanner a police officer who wants to patronize your business but who may or may not be vaxxed? If you are a council member, do you really want to alienate the union trades and professions who may or may not have unvaccinated members? Not. Gonna. Happen.
I hope you’re right. I am vaccinated but ABHOR the idea of a vaccine mandate. 100%. It’s disgusting.
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:39
Subject: Re:Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If vaccinated people are getting it, why the need for a vaccine passport? Seems silly at this point.
I think this will be mostly relevant after this wave begins its decline (which based on the South African example will hopefully be in a month or so) at which point, "vaccinated" will mean 3 shots. I suspect that the data will show that while people with 3 shots can still spread the virus they do so at a lower rate than vaccinated folks. It will be even more relevant after an Omicron booster is available (estimated March 2022).
Speaking for myself, I'd feel better about going out to a restaurant etc where there's a vax mandate not only out of concern for myself (I'm younger and low risk) but out of concern for people I might spread the virus to. I want to balance my desire to eat out with my desire not to be harming public health. Some people are behaving stupidly or stubbornly by refusing to get vaccinated, no question--but I don't want them to die for their poor choice. So I don't want to contribute in spreading the virus to them.
**typo. meant to say: I suspect that the data will show that while people with 3 shots can still spread the virus they do so at a lower rate than UNVACCINATED folks. It will be even more relevant after an Omicron booster is available (estimated March 2022).
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:36
Subject: Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not gonna happen.
Why? We are the most pro-vax county (have highest vax rates) in the country. Tons of places already have vax passports--CA, Washington state, Colorado, NYC, etc. Why would we not want to make it easy to zip in and out of places that choose to verify vax status?
This doesn't mean business have to require vaccinations--it's just a way to make it easier if they want to. I am already patronizing places in MoCo that check vax status (ranging from Strathmore to Jose Andres restaurants to Marjorie Merriwather Post). Most places don't. Vax passports don't force businesses to start requiring vaccines, they just make it more efficient for those that do.
Every time the idea comes up, it disappears soon after. I see this would be for restaurants and other places where people are maskless. Do you want to be the business owner vax scanner a police officer who wants to patronize your business but who may or may not be vaxxed? If you are a council member, do you really want to alienate the union trades and professions who may or may not have unvaccinated members? Not. Gonna. Happen.
Why is it impossible here politically when it was possible in places with lower vax rates, like those listed above?
Anonymous
12/22/2021 17:35
Subject: Re:Montgomery County Vaccine Passport Coming
Anonymous wrote:If vaccinated people are getting it, why the need for a vaccine passport? Seems silly at this point.
I think this will be mostly relevant after this wave begins its decline (which based on the South African example will hopefully be in a month or so) at which point, "vaccinated" will mean 3 shots. I suspect that the data will show that while people with 3 shots can still spread the virus they do so at a lower rate than vaccinated folks. It will be even more relevant after an Omicron booster is available (estimated March 2022).
Speaking for myself, I'd feel better about going out to a restaurant etc where there's a vax mandate not only out of concern for myself (I'm younger and low risk) but out of concern for people I might spread the virus to. I want to balance my desire to eat out with my desire not to be harming public health. Some people are behaving stupidly or stubbornly by refusing to get vaccinated, no question--but I don't want them to die for their poor choice. So I don't want to contribute in spreading the virus to them.