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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

Who are you talking about, specifically? And by that I'm talking about people who are actually in a position to try, like Dem House and Senate members, can you give specific examples and explain how it constitutes "a lot" of what is being pushed compared to everything else?

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think that this whole discussion is orchestrated by Republicans?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Canceling student debt is not anywhere in Biden‘s agenda. Yes progressives are pushing that but the only way it will pass is if Biden does an executive order.

I think he should. There’s tons of evidence that by canceling even a fraction of student debt is going to help our economy. Without crushing dead those millennials, many who are now in their 40s, will be able to buy homes and invest more in society.

Again you seem very much fixated on the few bad actors. There’s always a few bad actors but this policy will help many, many people. Some were prayed on by predictors lenders from for-profit colleges, others were told over and over again that college was the only way to a better future only to find out when they graduated their degree that was worthless.

I feel to see what other policies Biden has been movie to the left on. So far we’ve had the American rescue plan and a by bipartisan infrastructure plan. The two policies that progressives really care about have gone nowhere. Criminal justice reform has totally fallen apart, White House seems to be dragging their feet on voting rights. So excuse me but I’m just very confused of what you were talking about.

This person is the reason I lose faith in the Democratic Party. So, poster, after we forgive your crushing debt, and you buy a house you can’t afford, should we forgive that too? What do you owe, where did you go to school and what is your job? What jobs did you have before college? What kind of car do you drive? Did you study abroad? Do you have roommates? In many instances there are programs in existence to help people who really need it. But lots of people take on tons of debt and then are like “ew, yuck.” And you want a bail out. No. No. And the fact the democrats entertain this nonsense makes me want to barf.

Lots of undeserving people get bailouts from time to time. If $$ going to basket weaving Milliennials bothers you more than $$$$ going to going to the 1% (or what was 2008-9 all about?), I'm not sure what to say.

This is illogical. Stop the money going to 1%. Don’t give it to everyone else. I work hard and after taxes, we pay 48 percent in taxes to state local and fed and WE ARE NOT 1%.

Stop money “going to 1%”? Then stop electing Republicans (and Corporate Dems) but mainly Republicans. And when Dems try to say fully find IRS to they can go after tax cheats, you’ll scream too. The fact is this country has enough wealth but it’s in a few hands.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Canceling student debt is not anywhere in Biden‘s agenda. Yes progressives are pushing that but the only way it will pass is if Biden does an executive order.

I think he should. There’s tons of evidence that by canceling even a fraction of student debt is going to help our economy. Without crushing dead those millennials, many who are now in their 40s, will be able to buy homes and invest more in society.

Again you seem very much fixated on the few bad actors. There’s always a few bad actors but this policy will help many, many people. Some were prayed on by predictors lenders from for-profit colleges, others were told over and over again that college was the only way to a better future only to find out when they graduated their degree that was worthless.

I feel to see what other policies Biden has been movie to the left on. So far we’ve had the American rescue plan and a by bipartisan infrastructure plan. The two policies that progressives really care about have gone nowhere. Criminal justice reform has totally fallen apart, White House seems to be dragging their feet on voting rights. So excuse me but I’m just very confused of what you were talking about.

This person is the reason I lose faith in the Democratic Party. So, poster, after we forgive your crushing debt, and you buy a house you can’t afford, should we forgive that too? What do you owe, where did you go to school and what is your job? What jobs did you have before college? What kind of car do you drive? Did you study abroad? Do you have roommates? In many instances there are programs in existence to help people who really need it. But lots of people take on tons of debt and then are like “ew, yuck.” And you want a bail out. No. No. And the fact the democrats entertain this nonsense makes me want to barf.

Lots of undeserving people get bailouts from time to time. If $$ going to basket weaving Milliennials bothers you more than $$$$ going to going to the 1% (or what was 2008-9 all about?), I'm not sure what to say.

This is illogical. Stop the money going to 1%. Don’t give it to everyone else. I work hard and after taxes, we pay 48 percent in taxes to state local and fed and WE ARE NOT 1%.

Anonymous wrote:do you guys ever look around, after voting for Dems in the Trump era and think, wait, wtf? I am pro-choice, for example. Love reproductive rights. Big fan. This would be a great thing for Democrats to use their legislative powers to protect. But they don't. They are currently...trying to get a four-day work week. What on earth?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Canceling student debt is not anywhere in Biden‘s agenda. Yes progressives are pushing that but the only way it will pass is if Biden does an executive order.

I think he should. There’s tons of evidence that by canceling even a fraction of student debt is going to help our economy. Without crushing dead those millennials, many who are now in their 40s, will be able to buy homes and invest more in society.

Again you seem very much fixated on the few bad actors. There’s always a few bad actors but this policy will help many, many people. Some were prayed on by predictors lenders from for-profit colleges, others were told over and over again that college was the only way to a better future only to find out when they graduated their degree that was worthless.

I feel to see what other policies Biden has been movie to the left on. So far we’ve had the American rescue plan and a by bipartisan infrastructure plan. The two policies that progressives really care about have gone nowhere. Criminal justice reform has totally fallen apart, White House seems to be dragging their feet on voting rights. So excuse me but I’m just very confused of what you were talking about.

This person is the reason I lose faith in the Democratic Party. So, poster, after we forgive your crushing debt, and you buy a house you can’t afford, should we forgive that too? What do you owe, where did you go to school and what is your job? What jobs did you have before college? What kind of car do you drive? Did you study abroad? Do you have roommates? In many instances there are programs in existence to help people who really need it. But lots of people take on tons of debt and then are like “ew, yuck.” And you want a bail out. No. No. And the fact the democrats entertain this nonsense makes me want to barf.

Lots of undeserving people get bailouts from time to time. If $$ going to basket weaving Milliennials bothers you more than $$$$ going to going to the 1% (or what was 2008-9 all about?), I'm not sure what to say.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Canceling student debt is not anywhere in Biden‘s agenda. Yes progressives are pushing that but the only way it will pass is if Biden does an executive order.

I think he should. There’s tons of evidence that by canceling even a fraction of student debt is going to help our economy. Without crushing dead those millennials, many who are now in their 40s, will be able to buy homes and invest more in society.

Again you seem very much fixated on the few bad actors. There’s always a few bad actors but this policy will help many, many people. Some were prayed on by predictors lenders from for-profit colleges, others were told over and over again that college was the only way to a better future only to find out when they graduated their degree that was worthless.

I feel to see what other policies Biden has been movie to the left on. So far we’ve had the American rescue plan and a by bipartisan infrastructure plan. The two policies that progressives really care about have gone nowhere. Criminal justice reform has totally fallen apart, White House seems to be dragging their feet on voting rights. So excuse me but I’m just very confused of what you were talking about.

This person is the reason I lose faith in the Democratic Party. So, poster, after we forgive your crushing debt, and you buy a house you can’t afford, should we forgive that too? What do you owe, where did you go to school and what is your job? What jobs did you have before college? What kind of car do you drive? Did you study abroad? Do you have roommates? In many instances there are programs in existence to help people who really need it. But lots of people take on tons of debt and then are like “ew, yuck.” And you want a bail out. No. No. And the fact the democrats entertain this nonsense makes me want to barf.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Canceling student debt is not anywhere in Biden‘s agenda. Yes progressives are pushing that but the only way it will pass is if Biden does an executive order.

I think he should. There’s tons of evidence that by canceling even a fraction of student debt is going to help our economy. Without crushing dead those millennials, many who are now in their 40s, will be able to buy homes and invest more in society.

Again you seem very much fixated on the few bad actors. There’s always a few bad actors but this policy will help many, many people. Some were prayed on by predictors lenders from for-profit colleges, others were told over and over again that college was the only way to a better future only to find out when they graduated their degree that was worthless.

I feel to see what other policies Biden has been movie to the left on. So far we’ve had the American rescue plan and a by bipartisan infrastructure plan. The two policies that progressives really care about have gone nowhere. Criminal justice reform has totally fallen apart, White House seems to be dragging their feet on voting rights. So excuse me but I’m just very confused of what you were talking about.

Anonymous wrote:Moderate Dem here - I'm very much in this line of thought. Why can't the Dems run on strengthening their current accomplishments like ACA/SS/Voting Rights -instead of whatever outlandish fancy they suddenly come up with?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I get soured by the anticapitalist tone among some of the democrats. I am all for social programs and that includes universal health care. But there are a lot of programs pushed by the Democrats that I think are just redistribution of wealth and I am not for that.

There is a small, very vocal, very left group saying this. Not even Elizabeth Warren is anti-capitalist. Please don’t think activists represent the Democratic Party. The rightwing and mainstream (cable news) media LOVE to focus on the “radical” portion of the left while ignoring the very real radical takeover of the GOP by an anti-democracy faction.

The truth is, our country lags in so many programs that make a healthy up society. Paid time off, affordable healthcare, lower prescription drugs, affordable college…

Yes, there will always be scammers. I consider the biggest scammers to be the billionaires & wealthy corporations who have convinced the American public that they should be allowed to skip paying what they owe in taxes because they are
1. job makers
2. have “pulled bootstraps/ worked hard for their money, while ignoring that much of their wealth was built from the public good i.e. they and or their workers were educated in schools, their goods travel on public roads & purchased over publicly seed funded Internet…

They are laughing all the way to the bank, or in some cases to outerspace.

I thought that too. I feel like Biden is drawn to that group more than I expected and it lends a lot of legitimacy to their goals. Which makes me wonder if more democrats today are for that type of stuff. A lot of young people really want free college or tuition forgiveness. I hear some sad stories of people who got scammed by banks but for many I hear about massive tuition to earn a Low earning degree. That is a choice, not a tragedy. I know young people at my work who have massive debt but at least some of it was accumulated doing mostly frivolous semesters or summers abroad. I took loans and worked every summer and during the school year and NEVER got to do that because I couldn’t afford it. Or should I say, I wasn’t willing to take out loans to do it. I should not now be asked to pay for Larlas summer in Spain. Nope. But those same colleagues all talked about loan forgiveness. It made me so mad.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else think that this whole discussion is orchestrated by Republicans?