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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Biden actually lost ground amongst younger people vs. 2016. Trump got 38% of Millenial/Gen Z voters (vs. 31% in 2016), and 42% of college graduates, so 27% is lower than average. “Some college” was even higher for Trump, at 50%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

But when you combine 18-22 and enrolled in a 4 year college (especially if you qualified it as a selective college) I'm sure you'd end up with even lower Trump numbers since those are both v. low categories for him.

If you picked and chose which colleges, maybe, but otherwise, unlikely. I haven’t seen numbers for “enrolled” in college, because I don’t think that was an exit poll question? Besides, the “enrolled” students would show up in “some college,” which gave a higher % to Trump than “college graduates.”

Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

I don’t know when you graduated but it was a much more liberal school under Father Ted. It changed dramatically when he retired. It was liberal in the best way too with the “if you want peace - work for justice” way. It feels more “I gotta get mine” now and very conservative in comparison.

Anonymous wrote:Who is actually going to be proud to have voted for Biden at this juncture??

Anyone with a triple digit IQ.

Anonymous wrote:That’s not a surprise with W&M spawn the likes of Psaki and Comey. Not a comfortable place for those with dissenting opinions on matters great and small.

No, W&M has plenty of dissenting opinions--and plenty of Republicans--just not many who would consider voting for Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Biden actually lost ground amongst younger people vs. 2016. Trump got 38% of Millenial/Gen Z voters (vs. 31% in 2016), and 42% of college graduates, so 27% is lower than average. “Some college” was even higher for Trump, at 50%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

But when you combine 18-22 and enrolled in a 4 year college (especially if you qualified it as a selective college) I'm sure you'd end up with even lower Trump numbers since those are both v. low categories for him.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Biden actually lost ground amongst younger people vs. 2016. Trump got 38% of Millenial/Gen Z voters (vs. 31% in 2016), and 42% of college graduates, so 27% is lower than average. “Some college” was even higher for Trump, at 50%.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

Anonymous wrote:That’s not a surprise with W&M spawn the likes of Psaki and Comey. Not a comfortable place for those with dissenting opinions on matters great and small.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

Would much prefer that my left leaning moderate kid attend ND over the other extremely left wing top 20 schools. There's a lot more balance at ND and you can express yourself without judgment. It is much more real world than the bubble we live in the DMV area.

Agree with what has been said about high stats needed without hook. My high stats son was admitted with no hook but he attended a Catholic HS which is a significant feeder to ND.

The most important aspect of the application are the essays. There's a lot of good information in this video of Don Bishop, the VP of Enrollment. It's from 2016, but not much has changed in terms of his advice. We followed his suggestions here and son accepted REA. The most important thing is showing how you will fit into ND..what will you give and what will you get. The crucial section starts at 36:00.

Pull heavily from Catholic high schools. EA is where you need to be. They do put kids on a waitlist and don't tap into that much.

Can't stress enough how it is in South Bend, IN. Hard to get to and a dump. College is lovely though and kids love going there.

That’s not a surprise with W&M spawn the likes of Psaki and Comey. Not a comfortable place for those with dissenting opinions on matters great and small.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

+1 At W&M--similar academically serious students with a more 'moderate' vibe than many LACs --there was <1% vote for Trump in their student mock election.

William & Mary is not a top 25 university. In any event, do you have a link?

No, I just have a student there.

Anonymous wrote:Who is actually going to be proud to have voted for Biden at this juncture??

I am. 100%. But this is not a political thread.

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Anonymous wrote:ND alum here and a flaming liberal. ND is not "right wing." It certainly has more right wing and right of center students than most of the other top 25 universities, but its students are still overwhelmingly center left and left wing. The school went 66 to 27 for Biden in the 2020 mock election, for example. Its student body is a lot like UVA's or Vanderbilt's, but with more of a religious element. Right wing rags like the National Review routinely trash Notre Dame for not being conservative enough.

27 percent voted for Trump? My God. I don't think that's the redeeming statistic you think it is.

28 percent of Fairfax County voters voted for Trump. Is Fairfax County "right wing?"

That is not the correct comparison. A more appropriate comparison would be to find the statistic for 18-22 year olds with a high school diploma and/or some college. The youth vote tends to be the most liberal. I'm sure someone can dig up the 18-22 stat if they have the time.

Who is actually going to be proud to have voted for Biden at this juncture??