Anonymous
Post 10/15/2021 07:33     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

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Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.


Agreed. I did buy her a book of additional problems but she's got so much HW already she can't even get to them. She needs to go back to square one but there's so little time. Excellent suggestion re: requesting sample tests.
Too busy is just an excuse. She needs to pass math to graduate high school. Drop activities. Do extra problems.


Op here. I meant with schoolwork, not extracurricular stuff. She’s not doing any activities.
If she's not doing activities and doesn't have time, then the issue is time management. I bet she'll have 30-60% more time in her day if you take away her phone.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2021 07:29     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.


Agreed. I did buy her a book of additional problems but she's got so much HW already she can't even get to them. She needs to go back to square one but there's so little time. Excellent suggestion re: requesting sample tests.
Too busy is just an excuse. She needs to pass math to graduate high school. Drop activities. Do extra problems.


Op here. I meant with schoolwork, not extracurricular stuff. She’s not doing any activities.
She needs to make it a priority. It's a graduation requirement. She may find it the hardest and least fun, but it's where she needs to spend her time. Crank through problem after problem.

She wants to go to college, right? Learning to prioritize what work is most important is a skill that she needs to learn.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2021 07:09     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.


Agreed. I did buy her a book of additional problems but she's got so much HW already she can't even get to them. She needs to go back to square one but there's so little time. Excellent suggestion re: requesting sample tests.
Too busy is just an excuse. She needs to pass math to graduate high school. Drop activities. Do extra problems.


Op here. I meant with schoolwork, not extracurricular stuff. She’s not doing any activities.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 21:45     Subject: Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:OP your student should go to their counselor and drop the class. It is not required and if the school says no that is ridiculous. Drop ad period is never over in HS>

Now if she is dropping it because she does not want to do the work that is a different issue and she should not go to college if that is the case she is not ready.



She's doing the work but she just got too behind, now she's drowning. It's moving at a fast pace. She should not have signed up for this, but she was placed in it. She's done fine in math before.



That class is not required to graduate. Nobody forced her to take that particular math class. You had to okay it. My son is awful in math. Next year, he will be a senior and will have to take a math class but it's not going to be pre-calc. It will be the first year he has a choice in math courses. He can take stats like I did in 12th grade. I was awful in math too.


Being awful in math is not genetic. Stop projecting your insecurities onto your son.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 21:42     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:Wow, that's rough. How did she do in math in previous years? It's still early in the school year. Could the teacher recommend an alternative math class or even an outside program for her? I'm sure you've thought of that and other steps already, I can't offer much except commiseration. I know that's got to be a difficult spot. Since she has all or mostly A's otherwise, I wonder if there's a specific math-related learning issue at play -- one that could be addressed by a professional who knows about those things? But why would it appear just now? All questions that a learning specialist could probably help answer or at least point you in the right direction. Best of luck.


A learning specialist is overkill. Calc isn’t required and is a hard class!
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 21:14     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.


Agreed. I did buy her a book of additional problems but she's got so much HW already she can't even get to them. She needs to go back to square one but there's so little time. Excellent suggestion re: requesting sample tests.
Too busy is just an excuse. She needs to pass math to graduate high school. Drop activities. Do extra problems.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 18:30     Subject: Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP your student should go to their counselor and drop the class. It is not required and if the school says no that is ridiculous. Drop ad period is never over in HS>

Now if she is dropping it because she does not want to do the work that is a different issue and she should not go to college if that is the case she is not ready.



She's doing the work but she just got too behind, now she's drowning. It's moving at a fast pace. She should not have signed up for this, but she was placed in it. She's done fine in math before.



That class is not required to graduate. Nobody forced her to take that particular math class. You had to okay it. My son is awful in math. Next year, he will be a senior and will have to take a math class but it's not going to be pre-calc. It will be the first year he has a choice in math courses. He can take stats like I did in 12th grade. I was awful in math too.


I don't think this is right. At DC's school, if you took advanced math as a jr, the only option was calc as a senior. So there may be no other choice. That said, if DD was on a track that ended in calculus, such struggles manifesting as a senior is odd.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 17:28     Subject: Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP your student should go to their counselor and drop the class. It is not required and if the school says no that is ridiculous. Drop ad period is never over in HS>

Now if she is dropping it because she does not want to do the work that is a different issue and she should not go to college if that is the case she is not ready.



She's doing the work but she just got too behind, now she's drowning. It's moving at a fast pace. She should not have signed up for this, but she was placed in it. She's done fine in math before.



That class is not required to graduate. Nobody forced her to take that particular math class. You had to okay it. My son is awful in math. Next year, he will be a senior and will have to take a math class but it's not going to be pre-calc. It will be the first year he has a choice in math courses. He can take stats like I did in 12th grade. I was awful in math too.


You're being rude. OP said the child was placed in the class and never struggled with math before. Clearly the school thought it was a proper placement too. Something else is going on. Maybe it's the teacher? Maybe the child hit her math ceiling? Maybe it is the difficulty of the unit they started with?

My view is that if they won't let her drop, get a 2 or 3 time a week tutor and make sure she passes. In the end, the grade at the end of the year won't matter as much as showing how much work she put in to it as a senior. And the PP was right about not applying to a math heavy major. She doesn't need to go through this again.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 17:10     Subject: Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP your student should go to their counselor and drop the class. It is not required and if the school says no that is ridiculous. Drop ad period is never over in HS>

Now if she is dropping it because she does not want to do the work that is a different issue and she should not go to college if that is the case she is not ready.



She's doing the work but she just got too behind, now she's drowning. It's moving at a fast pace. She should not have signed up for this, but she was placed in it. She's done fine in math before.



That class is not required to graduate. Nobody forced her to take that particular math class. You had to okay it. My son is awful in math. Next year, he will be a senior and will have to take a math class but it's not going to be pre-calc. It will be the first year he has a choice in math courses. He can take stats like I did in 12th grade. I was awful in math too.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 15:58     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.


Agreed. I did buy her a book of additional problems but she's got so much HW already she can't even get to them. She needs to go back to square one but there's so little time. Excellent suggestion re: requesting sample tests.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 15:54     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Making her switch schools seems really extreme and traumatic, and she'd probably perceive it as punishment. Have you talked to the school? What do they suggest? They want her to graduate too.


I've spoken to the teacher and she's gone to him for help. They did not offer further suggestions. The counselor said she cannot drop it. The problem is she needs 4 years of math to graduate. So, she won't graduate if this continues. She could go to summer school and graduate. This school is very rigid in my opinion.

The trick to learning calculus is to work problems. She should do every problem in her calc book and ask the teacher for sample tests. It's not enough to have someone explain how to solve the problems. You need to do problems and then do some more.
Anonymous
Post 10/14/2021 15:53     Subject: Re:Failing calculus senior year

Anonymous wrote:If this is a private as your post suggests, they are not going to have your kid not graduate because of this. I am normally a hands off parent, but this should be escalated to the head of the division or even the head of school just to make sure that they are aware of it and if you tell them that you are worried about this I think they will reassure you. In the meantime have your kid speak to the teacher and ask what she can do to bring up the grade. I can relate to this experience as my kid started senior year with a D in AP Physics. It ended up being a C by the end of the semester and she is now an engineer so it had a happy ending. My best advice is to keep praising your kid for working hard at it and tell her it will all be okay if she keeps doing that and then pressure the school to work with you on this.


Thanks, good idea, I should ask the department chair what they think.