Anonymous
10/14/2021 09:13
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Kids across the system are less motivated and under prepared compare to two years ago. Even the 9th grade magnet cohort at RM. Even advanced students in AP classes. Don’t blame the lottery.
This. It's been a rough couple years, and lots of kids are struggling.
Anonymous
10/14/2021 06:35
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Kids across the system are less motivated and under prepared compare to two years ago. Even the 9th grade magnet cohort at RM. Even advanced students in AP classes. Don’t blame the lottery.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 22:12
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
No, there is plenty we don't know. Do they lottery within each eligible school cohort or within the overall pool, for example?
It sounded like last year may have been a general pool but people were selected for the poll based on local norms of the top 15%. It wouldn't be surprising if they improved the process going forward. I remember reading all the doom and gloom about the cohort criteria a few years ago but in reality by the second year they'd improved it to the point that the admitted students were just as strong or stronger than the old pre-universal screening system that relied on subjective factors.
I don't think that's necessarily true. I'm not saying this because I think the universal screening is bad. I support universal screening but MCPS has not released any data to say either way. What I've heard s only anecdotal from teachers and the new groups of students are different - less motivated as a whole which makes because it took a lot to apply to these things in the past, and there are more students needing extra help in certain subjects which again makes sense because they took a wider array of students from different backgrounds.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 14:20
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Is OP just looking for how many seats are available at each Center?
Check out Attachment A of the Annual Report to the Board. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/CES%20Sec%20Magnet%20Programs%20Memo%20July%202019.pdf
Other reports and data available at: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/schoolchoice/
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/detail.aspx?id=1528
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/detail.aspx?id=1503
Check out Attachment A of the Annual Report to the Board. https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/CES%20Sec%20Magnet%20Programs%20Memo%20July%202019.pdf
Other reports and data available at: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/schoolchoice/
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/detail.aspx?id=1528
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/detail.aspx?id=1503
Anonymous
10/13/2021 13:37
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
Do you think that MCPS would allow for a chance outcome where girls were not evenly represented? Not likely right? So there is in fact information that is not publicly disclosed that would be important for people to know.
My kids CES class is five boys and 22 girls or something like that. So what was your point again?
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:51
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's simple.
If MCPS is honest, open and transparent, they publish the data like any taxpayer expects their State Government employees to do. Anything less is unacceptable.
The comment about a question that a government official should be happy to provide isor getting a defensive reaction when asking a simple question over ajust looking to stir up controversy and resentment, shows just how sensitized some posters are to MCPS complaints (most likely upper management and the board).freaking lottery
I'm an older person and one bit of Wisdom I'm certain of. When your intentions are pure, your heart is with the children, and you're honest in deed and word; you really don't fear or care about what others say. It's mainly when you know you've done wrong, or lied, or did things for your career versus the innocent; that you get defensive.
If the lottery is perfect, why doesn't MCPS release how it is performed, by whom, etc.? Only if they were not truthful regarding the method, would it be problematic. Otherwise, there's nothing to fear. All these years MCPS has never learned that Honesty is the Best Policy.
They did when they told you it was a lottery. The pick names for a pool and pick X names at random. It isn't complicated. You're just trying to make it into some nefarious conspiracy even though there's nothing to this.
Ok so if you know for sure how this works, how do they take into consideration students who receive “student services” which they define as FARMS, ESOL, 504s, etc.? They say it is one of the data points that is considered, separate from local norming. Do these students get into the lottery pool at a different threshold? Do they get a weighted entry into the lottery? Do they only lottery against each other and have a quota of seats? Explain how these students are handled in the so-called straight up, straightforward lottery.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:45
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:It's simple.
If MCPS is honest, open and transparent, they publish the data like any taxpayer expects their State Government employees to do. Anything less is unacceptable.
I have news for you about government agencies making data available to the public.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:43
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:It's simple.
If MCPS is honest, open and transparent, they publish the data like any taxpayer expects their State Government employees to do. Anything less is unacceptable.
The comment about a question that a government official should be happy to provide isor getting a defensive reaction when asking a simple question over ajust looking to stir up controversy and resentment, shows just how sensitized some posters are to MCPS complaints (most likely upper management and the board).freaking lottery
I'm an older person and one bit of Wisdom I'm certain of. When your intentions are pure, your heart is with the children, and you're honest in deed and word; you really don't fear or care about what others say. It's mainly when you know you've done wrong, or lied, or did things for your career versus the innocent; that you get defensive.
If the lottery is perfect, why doesn't MCPS release how it is performed, by whom, etc.? Only if they were not truthful regarding the method, would it be problematic. Otherwise, there's nothing to fear. All these years MCPS has never learned that Honesty is the Best Policy.
They did when they told you it was a lottery. The pick names for a pool and pick X names at random. It isn't complicated. You're just trying to make it into some nefarious conspiracy even though there's nothing to this.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:42
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
No, there is plenty we don't know. Do they lottery within each eligible school cohort or within the overall pool, for example?
It sounded like last year may have been a general pool but people were selected for the poll based on local norms of the top 15%. It wouldn't be surprising if they improved the process going forward. I remember reading all the doom and gloom about the cohort criteria a few years ago but in reality by the second year they'd improved it to the point that the admitted students were just as strong or stronger than the old pre-universal screening system that relied on subjective factors.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:41
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.
There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.
Why would this post stir up controversy and resentment? That makes no sense.
The process should be transparent and it should make sense. That is not controversial.
How many kids got in from each school is not the process.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:36
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
No, there is plenty we don't know. Do they lottery within each eligible school cohort or within the overall pool, for example?
I don’t think they need to do separate lottery per sending school because definitionally, the local norming would create an eligibility pool that would be more balanced by sending ES, being that the pool has the top 15% of each individual ES.
It would be awesome though if MCPS could explain this themselves instead of leaving parents wondering and guessing like this.
Anonymous
10/13/2021 09:34
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
Do you think that MCPS would allow for a chance outcome where girls were not evenly represented? Not likely right? So there is in fact information that is not publicly disclosed that would be important for people to know.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 19:51
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No way they would release that and fuel the outrage. Be it parent on admin, Parent on parent or school on school. It isn’t equal nor should it be.
There is a good chance the OP already knows this and is just looking to stir up controversy and resentment.
Why would this post stir up controversy and resentment? That makes no sense.
The process should be transparent and it should make sense. That is not controversial.
This is DCUM. Everything eventually devolves into controversy and resentment.
And some things just start out that way!
Anonymous
10/12/2021 18:08
Subject: Re:Data on CES students accepted from each school?
It's simple.
If MCPS is honest, open and transparent, they publish the data like any taxpayer expects their State Government employees to do. Anything less is unacceptable.
The comment about a question that a government official should be happy to provide is
I'm an older person and one bit of Wisdom I'm certain of. When your intentions are pure, your heart is with the children, and you're honest in deed and word; you really don't fear or care about what others say. It's mainly when you know you've done wrong, or lied, or did things for your career versus the innocent; that you get defensive.
If the lottery is perfect, why doesn't MCPS release how it is performed, by whom, etc.? Only if they were not truthful regarding the method, would it be problematic. Otherwise, there's nothing to fear. All these years MCPS has never learned that Honesty is the Best Policy.
If MCPS is honest, open and transparent, they publish the data like any taxpayer expects their State Government employees to do. Anything less is unacceptable.
The comment about a question that a government official should be happy to provide is
or getting a defensive reaction when asking a simple question over ajust looking to stir up controversy and resentment
, shows just how sensitized some posters are to MCPS complaints (most likely upper management and the board).freaking lottery
I'm an older person and one bit of Wisdom I'm certain of. When your intentions are pure, your heart is with the children, and you're honest in deed and word; you really don't fear or care about what others say. It's mainly when you know you've done wrong, or lied, or did things for your career versus the innocent; that you get defensive.
If the lottery is perfect, why doesn't MCPS release how it is performed, by whom, etc.? Only if they were not truthful regarding the method, would it be problematic. Otherwise, there's nothing to fear. All these years MCPS has never learned that Honesty is the Best Policy.
Anonymous
10/12/2021 17:19
Subject: Data on CES students accepted from each school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since no one knows how this mysterious lottery works, other than the lower threshold, how would anyone know?
Please don't try to make this into something that it isn't it's just a freaking lottery everyone knows exactly how those work there's no mystery
No, there is plenty we don't know. Do they lottery within each eligible school cohort or within the overall pool, for example?