Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 23:24     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:Because I don’t want an electric car. Ever.


+1
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 23:23     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:I don't expect anyone to trade in a car they already have, and I realize that many (most, even) people can't afford to buy electric cars. But if you're driving around with temporary tags on a new gas-burning car that costs more than our new $45,000 electric car did, what is wrong with you? If you can afford a new Porsche Macan, you can afford a Tesla or an electric Audi or something that doesn't contribute as much to destroying the world. (They even make electric Porsches! They'll soon be making electric Macans!) Do people just not think about climate change at all when they're in the process of dropping $60,000 on a car?


1. Someday the technology will be there for a battery powered car that does what I want it to do. My guess is 30-40 years from now. I will buy one then.

2. Gas is not going anywhere. We will still be driving gas cars in 30 years.

3. No I do not consider climate change when purchasing a car or really doing anything else.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 23:04     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?


Accounting for how the electricity is produced, the environmental costs of producing the car, etc., an electric car is cleaner than a gas car within 27,000 to 40,000 miles driven: https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a36877102/20-questions-evs-environmentally-friendly/


If you care about the environment, maybe you should consider how much you are driving. Big different if you put a few thousand miles on like me vs. 27,000 to 40,000. Even when I worked and used my car for work, I put on 12-15K. You are driving way to much.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 23:03     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:I don't expect anyone to trade in a car they already have, and I realize that many (most, even) people can't afford to buy electric cars. But if you're driving around with temporary tags on a new gas-burning car that costs more than our new $45,000 electric car did, what is wrong with you? If you can afford a new Porsche Macan, you can afford a Tesla or an electric Audi or something that doesn't contribute as much to destroying the world. (They even make electric Porsches! They'll soon be making electric Macans!) Do people just not think about climate change at all when they're in the process of dropping $60,000 on a car?


Take your climate angst over to China. They are the real problem here. They're building coal fired electric plants the size of Los Angeles.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissions-china-goes-on-a-coal-spree
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 23:01     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Yes, I did but I don't drive much so what's the big deal. I fill up 1-2 times a month.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 22:58     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?


Exactly. It's like throwing greasy cardboard and plastic grocery bags into the recycling bin and then feeling sanctimonious about it.


Well, no, it's not, because at least some of the electricity comes from renewable sources, so the net carbon emissions of per mile of an electric car are lower than they are for a gas car no matter what. In your example, throwing that stuff in the recycling makes the whole recycling bin garbage. In the case of an electric car vs. a gas car, driving the electric car is still better for the planet despite the emissions from generating the electricity.


Some of gasoline comes from renewable sources too. In most areas, gasoline contains up to 10% of ethanol, which is made from corn.

Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 20:28     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Watching the EV market and will jump in within the next 10 years. I drove the Audi e tron recently and liked the fit and finish, but that car felt heavy around the turns and could only do 200 mi per charge. Haven’t tried the Tesla yet, but their fit and finish could use some work and they all look the same. There are no trims to differentiate one from another. Will probably get my last combustion engine and enjoy the last of them with some nice exhaust sounds.

They have an EV kit for my classic car that I may convert down the road so it’s definitely the futchaaah.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 17:01     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
I don’t want to have to charge my car for 30 minutes every 2 hours on a road trip. I will wait for the infrastructure to catch up.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 16:09     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:Because I don’t want an electric car. I don’t want to have to plan my trip to charge my car.


Same
Oh and the electric cars are ugly inside and very expensive.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 16:08     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
I took the question a different way: The major manufacturers are pouring almost all of their R&D into electric and autonomous vehicles. Gas vehicles of today are great - the most reliable and best performing ever. However, we might look back at this decade as a time when improvements for internal combustion cars plateaued. Today's high-end gas car might be about as good as it gets.

https://jalopnik.com/cadillacs-blackwing-cars-are-the-last-combustion-powere-1847416616
Cadillac's Blackwing Cars Are The Last Combustion Powered Sedans That Matter
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 15:47     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
I live an island that does not have the infrastructure to support charging electric vehicles. We can barely keep up with current electric needs.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 15:43     Subject: Re:Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are getting ready to buy a Porsche. The car it is replacing is 10 years old and wont last until the EVs come out (2023 at the earliest). And we regularly drive 500 miles to our 2nd home (doing it again in 2 weeks) so we need at least 1 gas or hybrid car to make that drive without having the worry about recharging. I think they are projecting that the EV Macan will have a range around 200 miles. I sat in a Taycan recently and it was not comfortable, nor is the design practical for us to haul things.

We do plan to get a EV for a second car when that car needs to be replaced.


Do you regularly make a 500-mile drive in your gas car without having to stop to refuel? Where is your vacation home? I'd bet there's a very convenient way to charge it on the way there.


Refueling takes 5 minutes. And we can actually make it 500 miles on a full tank, although we usually have to stop once to go to the bathroom. A 200 mile range means 2 recharging stops, and normally we don't stop for more than 10-15 minutes total in a trip.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 15:39     Subject: Re:Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Don't the batteries in an electric car take all kinds of special metals that have to be mined along with leaking fluids in landfills? I have no data or sources. I also heard that an electric car starts to be more environmentally friendly after something like 5-7 years or some insane amount of miles due to the way electricity is produced.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 15:34     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Because I don’t want an electric car. Ever.
Anonymous
Post 10/06/2021 15:33     Subject: Why would you buy a high-end gas car now?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are you under the impression that the electricity just wills its way in to existence?


Exactly. It's like throwing greasy cardboard and plastic grocery bags into the recycling bin and then feeling sanctimonious about it.


Well, no, it's not, because at least some of the electricity comes from renewable sources, so the net carbon emissions of per mile of an electric car are lower than they are for a gas car no matter what. In your example, throwing that stuff in the recycling makes the whole recycling bin garbage. In the case of an electric car vs. a gas car, driving the electric car is still better for the planet despite the emissions from generating the electricity.


its more than that. generation at a central location and then distribution as electricity is cleaner than distribution as fuel and then generating energy through the car's engine