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Anonymous wrote:Agree with the previous posters saying to just visit the grandparents.

NP.

Easy to say, but could be hard for OP to do.

What happens when the other relatives just show up unannounced? "Sorry, we can' t see you, go away"? Ideally that would happen, but in the moment it's hard to say to the grandparents, "You cannot have these people come into your house while we are here." And outdoors sounds great, but if the unvaccinated kids of the unvaccinated parents end up playing with OP's unvaccinated kids, well, kids are great little carriers of viruses and there's no way the adults will stop them in time to keep them six feet apart....

The grandparents might have good intentions of keeping the visit to just them and OP's family but that could evaporate if others turn up and the grandparents feel it's rude or mean to say go away.

And frankly I'm not even a fan of being outdoors with anti-vaxxers who insist they are immune. They won't care about masking or keeping distance if they don't mask. And again: Kids.

OP, don't go. Sorry, but it's too risky that the other family members will turn up, or lay a ton of guilt on your vaccinated in-laws and on DH and you too.

Maybe I missed it if you mentioned this already, OP, but why can't the vaccinated grandparents come to visit you instead of your going to them?

Alternative: Four hours each way is not a fun day trip with kids but yes, it can be a day trip. You drive down, have lunch with the grandparents without telling the rest of the family and you drive back. It's a possibility but not a fun day, really. So I'm sticking with : Do. Not. Go. I'm really sorry for the grandparents but the other relatives are being idiots and ruining things for everyone including your DH's parents.

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the previous posters saying to just visit the grandparents.

Anonymous wrote:^^ I wished they had Covid but as far as I know they didn’t. I think past Covid is as good if not better than vaccine.

Anonymous wrote:Why can’t this be a trip to only visit the grandparents??

I really don’t understand why your husband’s brother’s wife’s parents have to be there. This would be weird period.

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Anonymous wrote:My husband would like to visit with his family in November in Virginia for his birthday weekend (4 hours away from us by car). We haven't been there to see his family since the pandemic hit. His parents are vaccinated but his brother, sister in-law and their 2 kids are not. The sister in-laws parents are also not vaccinated and I'm not sure if they would be at any gatherings. The brother and his family all got covid a year ago and are very against vaccinations (but may have some lingering immunity) . My husband and I are vaccinated but my kids are 6 and 11 and are not yet. How would you handle this? I was trying to negotiate going at the end of November so that my kids would at least maybe have 1 shot of the vaccine if it's out by then.

Don't go. We are faced with locals [not vaccinated] at a Thanksgiving of a vaccinated local. We are not going and nor are the people who are our connection to that event. Plus other events ... If a DMV wedding venue has unvaccinated at 6 feet distance from all others including staff [except their household members] that means something. Friends have gotten breakthrough- can be like the worst flu ever.

Some interesting stuff came out of NYC recently.
One theatre that allowed unvaccinated with proof of negative testing on ages 4-12 has had covid closures. Over 12 vaccinated while others with no under 12's and no unvaccinated have had zero covid closures. So those vaccines work.

Aladdin covid closures https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042623019/broadway-aladdin-closed-coronavirus#:~:text=Health-,Broadway%27s%20%27Aladdin%27%20goes%20dark%20soon%20after%20reopening,as%20it%20battles%20the%20coronavirus&text=NEW%20YORK%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Broadway%20hit,%2D19%20cases%20were%20detected.%22

I've never understood why exceptions are made to the "proof of vaccination required" for those under 12. Is the goal (of requiring vaccination for entrance) to stop the spread of covid, or to "punish" the unvaccinated? Because still allowing unvaccinated children will do nothing to stop the spread.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband would like to visit with his family in November in Virginia for his birthday weekend (4 hours away from us by car). We haven't been there to see his family since the pandemic hit. His parents are vaccinated but his brother, sister in-law and their 2 kids are not. The sister in-laws parents are also not vaccinated and I'm not sure if they would be at any gatherings. The brother and his family all got covid a year ago and are very against vaccinations (but may have some lingering immunity) . My husband and I are vaccinated but my kids are 6 and 11 and are not yet. How would you handle this? I was trying to negotiate going at the end of November so that my kids would at least maybe have 1 shot of the vaccine if it's out by then.

Don't go. We are faced with locals [not vaccinated] at a Thanksgiving of a vaccinated local. We are not going and nor are the people who are our connection to that event. Plus other events ... If a DMV wedding venue has unvaccinated at 6 feet distance from all others including staff [except their household members] that means something. Friends have gotten breakthrough- can be like the worst flu ever.

Some interesting stuff came out of NYC recently.
One theatre that allowed unvaccinated with proof of negative testing on ages 4-12 has had covid closures. Over 12 vaccinated while others with no under 12's and no unvaccinated have had zero covid closures. So those vaccines work.

Aladdin covid closures https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042623019/broadway-aladdin-closed-coronavirus#:~:text=Health-,Broadway%27s%20%27Aladdin%27%20goes%20dark%20soon%20after%20reopening,as%20it%20battles%20the%20coronavirus&text=NEW%20YORK%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Broadway%20hit,%2D19%20cases%20were%20detected.%22

I've never understood why exceptions are made to the "proof of vaccination required" for those under 12. Is the goal (of requiring vaccination for entrance) to stop the spread of covid, or to "punish" the unvaccinated? Because still allowing unvaccinated children will do nothing to stop the spread.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My husband would like to visit with his family in November in Virginia for his birthday weekend (4 hours away from us by car). We haven't been there to see his family since the pandemic hit. His parents are vaccinated but his brother, sister in-law and their 2 kids are not. The sister in-laws parents are also not vaccinated and I'm not sure if they would be at any gatherings. The brother and his family all got covid a year ago and are very against vaccinations (but may have some lingering immunity) . My husband and I are vaccinated but my kids are 6 and 11 and are not yet. How would you handle this? I was trying to negotiate going at the end of November so that my kids would at least maybe have 1 shot of the vaccine if it's out by then.

Don't go. We are faced with locals [not vaccinated] at a Thanksgiving of a vaccinated local. We are not going and nor are the people who are our connection to that event. Plus other events ... If a DMV wedding venue has unvaccinated at 6 feet distance from all others including staff [except their household members] that means something. Friends have gotten breakthrough- can be like the worst flu ever.

Some interesting stuff came out of NYC recently.
One theatre that allowed unvaccinated with proof of negative testing on ages 4-12 has had covid closures. Over 12 vaccinated while others with no under 12's and no unvaccinated have had zero covid closures. So those vaccines work.

Aladdin covid closures https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042623019/broadway-aladdin-closed-coronavirus#:~:text=Health-,Broadway%27s%20%27Aladdin%27%20goes%20dark%20soon%20after%20reopening,as%20it%20battles%20the%20coronavirus&text=NEW%20YORK%20%E2%80%94%20The%20Broadway%20hit,%2D19%20cases%20were%20detected.%22

Anonymous wrote:My husband would like to visit with his family in November in Virginia for his birthday weekend (4 hours away from us by car). We haven't been there to see his family since the pandemic hit. His parents are vaccinated but his brother, sister in-law and their 2 kids are not. The sister in-laws parents are also not vaccinated and I'm not sure if they would be at any gatherings. The brother and his family all got covid a year ago and are very against vaccinations (but may have some lingering immunity) . My husband and I are vaccinated but my kids are 6 and 11 and are not yet. How would you handle this? I was trying to negotiate going at the end of November so that my kids would at least maybe have 1 shot of the vaccine if it's out by then.

Anonymous wrote:Ideally see them outside if you can.

After 1.5 years, we did see my unvaccinated BIL and SIL. I know some people are willing to lose family over vaccinations but I decided I’m not & it had already been 1.5 years so I decided to agree to see them. We didn’t see other people indoors without masks for a week after that.