Anonymous wrote:You get what you pay for.

And if the pay is subpar…

You get what you pay for.

I'm a SAHM that volunteers for lunch. I'm there for an hour. My kid is in 3rd grade and her class while rambunctious are still somewhat manageable. 4th graders kind of still listen if you tell them to stop doing something. 5th graders ignore you and talk back, 6th graders may curse you out. But whatever it's only an hour.

I have one kid cause that's all that I had the patience to train and deal with. Why just because I'm a SAHM should I feel obligated to deal with a bunch of kids who have no manners, and won't listen for an entire day?

Anonymous wrote:Lollll I'm not putting myself in a situation where I'm in charge of potentially out of control kids and I'm not allowed to give them any consequences or defend myself. Have you seen what's going on in ACPS? Find someone else to nanny these thugs.

It's happening in FCPS and elsewhere, too. Kids are undergoing a social reset after last year - some more destructively than others. But, please - continue to clutch those pearls.

I was a special ed para in a self-contained classroom. It was nearly impossible to find a decent sub before Covid. Now? Forget it. I got pulled to cover other special ed classes all the time because teachers were out sick and sometimes gen ed too. I also subbed for several years before getting hired full time. Both positions are totally underpaid and school boards should be ashamed at trying to sell people on these jobs for the pittance they're offering. Every single person in the Open Schools groups should be investing their energy into getting better pay for these positions. Otherwise, don't complain when your kid ends up doing Zoom in a Room in the gym for two weeks because there's no one to cover when their teacher is sick or quarantined, or when your child gets stuck with a long term sub who can barely speak English.

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Anonymous wrote:Lot of stay at home moms could do this but they see it as beneath them.

Or maybe they have younger kids at home??

You obviously know those aren’t the ones I’m talking about, genius.

Lollll I'm not putting myself in a situation where I'm in charge of potentially out of control kids and I'm not allowed to give them any consequences or defend myself. Have you seen what's going on in ACPS? Find someone else to nanny these thugs.

Anonymous wrote:Lot of stay at home moms could do this but they see it as beneath them.

Or maybe they have younger kids at home??

You can’t pay me enough to deal with your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents want to come in and supervise outdoor lunches for free but don't want to sub at all because then they'd have to come to grips about other inconvenient truths.

That’s not the reason. Lunch takes an hour. A full day on a regular basis would cut into Orange Theory and book club/lunch time. That’s the real truth and reason they don’t have time.

… or they might have a job?

People with jobs are not the ones demanding outside for lunch and then volunteering to staff it. It’s the SAHMs. Yes, it could be parents working from home and going there on the lunch break but that’s not the case for most of the volunteers.

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Anonymous wrote:They pay $13/hr. No thanks.

It’s not quite that bad… but close

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Sub-fair.pdf

That flyer is slightly misleading:
Substitute Teacher pay is: $15.59 an hour
Substitute Assistant pay is: $13.46 an hour

https://www.apsva.us/careers-aps/substitutes/currentsubs/

Do you know anyone who wants to do a sub's job for only $15.59 an hour? That's horrible. No wonder we don't have enough subs in schools right now. Only the truly desperate would do that job for that amount of money.

Yup. And it’s why you have so many excellent teachers who’d prefer the classroom wanting to go to the Central Office. Oh man.. and check what assistants make. Awful. We need to do better by all of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Parents want to come in and supervise outdoor lunches for free but don't want to sub at all because then they'd have to come to grips about other inconvenient truths.

That’s not the reason. Lunch takes an hour. A full day on a regular basis would cut into Orange Theory and book club/lunch time. That’s the real truth and reason they don’t have time.

… or they might have a job?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They pay $13/hr. No thanks.

It’s not quite that bad… but close

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Sub-fair.pdf

That flyer is slightly misleading:
Substitute Teacher pay is: $15.59 an hour
Substitute Assistant pay is: $13.46 an hour

https://www.apsva.us/careers-aps/substitutes/currentsubs/

Do you know anyone who wants to do a sub's job for only $15.59 an hour? That's horrible. No wonder we don't have enough subs in schools right now. Only the truly desperate would do that job for that amount of money.

Lot of stay at home moms could do this but they see it as beneath them.

Anonymous wrote:Parents want to come in and supervise outdoor lunches for free but don't want to sub at all because then they'd have to come to grips about other inconvenient truths.

That’s not the reason. Lunch takes an hour. A full day on a regular basis would cut into Orange Theory and book club/lunch time. That’s the real truth and reason they don’t have time.