Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 13:48     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
From the statute:

Section 23-7.4 of the Code of Virginia, relevant excerpt:

If the person through whom the dependent student or unemancipated minor established such domicile and eligibility for in-state tuition abandons his Virginia domicile, the dependent student or unemancipated minor shall be entitled to such in-state tuition for one year from the date of such abandonment.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 13:00     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.



If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?


That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.


The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.


And you seriously believe the post office notified them of this?? Ok then. We just moved. I get tons of random crap sent to my new address. You think the post office notified bed bath and beyond and home depot that I moved? It's a thing called public records.

OP I have heard rumors that some of the VA schools don't verify residency after admission. Don't know if this is true but I've heard rumors.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:40     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.



What would be the ways around it? OP's kids would have to get married, have a kid, or enlist in the military...any other options?


At age 18+, aren't the children eligible to no longer be "dependents" regardless of marital, veteran, etc status? if the kids are living in VA, even at a rented apartment, and paying VA taxes, AND assuming the kids aren't getting grants/aid from FAFSA, then why not age 18? (My kids are still in HS, so I am not fully knowledgeable about being declared independent.)



No. There is a presumption that kids under 24 are dependents and you need to overcome that presumption by clear and convincing evidence.

Does the age at 24 hold true even if the children aren't getting any loans, grants, or other aid???

Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:37     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
OP, when you move to another country, you still have to pay taxes to the state where you were last domiciled. You don't get to stop paying state taxes. So it is possible they would still be eligilble for in state tuition. I would ask someone who knows better, like anonymously call the school or consult expat boards.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:34     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?


This is a hilarious post


Yeah...if renting an apartment got a college student in state tuition...no one would ever pay OOS. Talk about absurd mis information.


So if the parents gave up their house and moved in with a family member, what would be the family's permanent address?

I moved in with my parents after my divorce. It's not such a crazy situation. We rent from a family member and will when they are in college.

Also "don't know if this would work" meant.... I don't know if this would work. It's an idea. Better than just spouting out things as fact.


OK but that is not what you wrote 'that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?" What you described above is parents renting from a relative and the whole family living there. That would be fine.


Sorry I wasn't clearer. Maybe parents can say they moved in with relatives/rent from them and use that as their legal address.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:29     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?


This is a hilarious post


Yeah...if renting an apartment got a college student in state tuition...no one would ever pay OOS. Talk about absurd mis information.


So if the parents gave up their house and moved in with a family member, what would be the family's permanent address?

I moved in with my parents after my divorce. It's not such a crazy situation. We rent from a family member and will when they are in college.

Also "don't know if this would work" meant.... I don't know if this would work. It's an idea. Better than just spouting out things as fact.


OK but that is not what you wrote 'that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?" What you described above is parents renting from a relative and the whole family living there. That would be fine.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:09     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?


This is a hilarious post


Yeah...if renting an apartment got a college student in state tuition...no one would ever pay OOS. Talk about absurd mis information.


So if the parents gave up their house and moved in with a family member, what would be the family's permanent address?

I moved in with my parents after my divorce. It's not such a crazy situation. We rent from a family member and will when they are in college.

Also "don't know if this would work" meant.... I don't know if this would work. It's an idea. Better than just spouting out things as fact.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 12:00     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?


This is a hilarious post


Yeah...if renting an apartment got a college student in state tuition...no one would ever pay OOS. Talk about absurd mis information.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:59     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Don’t move while your kids are in college.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:56     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?


This is a hilarious post
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:45     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
If you maintain your primary residence in VA and continue to pay state and federal taxes as a VA resident, I'm not sure it matters where you sleep at night. You can "live" in Canada, but you need to continue to maintain your own residency in VA to take advantage of in state tuition for your dependents.

If that's too complicated or more expensive than paying out of state tuition, and ff DH is getting such a great job, then maybe just pay the out of state tuition and don't worry about it.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:42     Subject: if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
So much absurd misinformation on this thread.

Don't know if this would work, but do you or DH have a sibling that you could say your kids are renting from for their permanent address?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:41     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.



If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?


That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.


The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.


I could believe they sell the change of address info and are quite efficient about it. It would be worth it for fundraising orgs to pay.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:38     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.



If you change your address at the post office the school will be notified. How do you think the $$ requests follow you around?


That’s not happening. You have a lot of faith in the post office that can’t even deliver mail effectively. They’re absolutely not doing this.


The week after I moved, I received a solicitation from my college addressed to my new address. There is no other way they would have known I moved.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2021 11:35     Subject: Re:if I move to Canada while my kids are in college...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It doesn't matter whether you leave the state or the country. The effect is identical: you lose in state tuition privileges one year following abandoning the state. The only way to get around this legally is for your kids to be declared independent, but that's difficult to do because the presumption is that undergraduate students are dependents and it's hard to get around that.

BUT -- it's not that hard to sneak around it. If you have electronic billing set up, don't change your address. Everything will continue to be sent to you on line with your old address.

Worked for me.



What would be the ways around it? OP's kids would have to get married, have a kid, or enlist in the military...any other options?


At age 18+, aren't the children eligible to no longer be "dependents" regardless of marital, veteran, etc status? if the kids are living in VA, even at a rented apartment, and paying VA taxes, AND assuming the kids aren't getting grants/aid from FAFSA, then why not age 18? (My kids are still in HS, so I am not fully knowledgeable about being declared independent.)



No. There is a presumption that kids under 24 are dependents and you need to overcome that presumption by clear and convincing evidence.