Anonymous
09/28/2021 07:30
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.
Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:
MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5
CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are
the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier
Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.
But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.
Arlington and VDA have some teams that would be fine in MLS Next, but the other ECNL clubs would get mowed down.
I disagree with this. Richmond would be more than fine in MLS Next, and Loudoun would not disgrace itself. McLean and BRYC would indeed get mowed down.
I wasn’t considering Richmond due to their location, but yes, they’d be fine. Loudoun is a joke.
Anonymous
09/28/2021 01:57
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.
Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:
MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5
CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are
the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier
Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.
But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.
Arlington and VDA have some teams that would be fine in MLS Next, but the other ECNL clubs would get mowed down.
I disagree with this. Richmond would be more than fine in MLS Next, and Loudoun would not disgrace itself. McLean and BRYC would indeed get mowed down.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 23:10
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hearing good things about this league, is it a better option than CCL on the boys side?
ECNL-R is on par with MLSNext.
ECNL is better than both.
NCSL D1-3 are next
top EDP is a distant 7th
CCL can't hold EDP Premier 6's jock strap
What do u and morons like u gain from lying thru ur teeth?
EDP is the best league after the ECNL / GA conundrum.
Ncsl is a regional glorified rec league. God, people like u are a Cancer that needs to be eradicated
These people know nothing ^
Yes, ECNL-RL is good, but not the best. It’s far better than CCL Prem now. But before it was rebranded as ECNL-RL, when it was called NPL, they were pretty even. But now Arlington and Loudoun’s second teams joined them. Of course ECNL is still better than ECNL-RL. EDP divisions 1 and 2 are solid. But let’s be honest that Division 3 and lower are not good. I would say that the youth soccer pyramid is:
MLS Next/ECNL
ECNL-RL/EDP D1 and D2
CCL 1 /EDP D3 and D4
NCSL 1 and 2/CCL 2/
NCSL 3 - 5
I'd put NCSL 1 and 2 over CCL 1 & 2.
CCL is the new ODSL. At the most, I'd give it another year before it's done
Yea, now that I think about it you’re right. CCL 2 is sad at this point. NCSL D1 teams are decent. PWSI Pride is a great example. Solid team that punches well above its weight — often.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 23:06
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hearing good things about this league, is it a better option than CCL on the boys side?
ECNL-R is on par with MLSNext.
ECNL is better than both.
NCSL D1-3 are next
top EDP is a distant 7th
CCL can't hold EDP Premier 6's jock strap
What do u and morons like u gain from lying thru ur teeth?
EDP is the best league after the ECNL / GA conundrum.
Ncsl is a regional glorified rec league. God, people like u are a Cancer that needs to be eradicated
These people know nothing ^
Yes, ECNL-RL is good, but not the best. It’s far better than CCL Prem now. But before it was rebranded as ECNL-RL, when it was called NPL, they were pretty even. But now Arlington and Loudoun’s second teams joined them. Of course ECNL is still better than ECNL-RL. EDP divisions 1 and 2 are solid. But let’s be honest that Division 3 and lower are not good. I would say that the youth soccer pyramid is:
MLS Next/ECNL
ECNL-RL/EDP D1 and D2
CCL 1 /EDP D3 and D4
NCSL 1 and 2/CCL 2/
NCSL 3 - 5
I'd put NCSL 1 and 2 over CCL 1 & 2.
CCL is the new ODSL. At the most, I'd give it another year before it's done
Anonymous
09/27/2021 22:53
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
You forgot Legacy and FFC. That allowed the north/south divisions in ECNL-R. Now that there is a north division it makes no sense for the NOVA clubs still in CCL to not make the switch. A lot of parents at NOVA CCL clubs are going to think it’s stupid to go play Roanoke or Rush when they could play local rivals within an hour or less.
FFC and Legacy were very poor clubs at the end of their CCL run. Good teams in a few age groups but look at the standings. Both clubs are near the bottom in almost every age group. The drive definitely is a major factor.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 20:51
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
You forgot Legacy and FFC. That allowed the north/south divisions in ECNL-R. Now that there is a north division it makes no sense for the NOVA clubs still in CCL to not make the switch. A lot of parents at NOVA CCL clubs are going to think it’s stupid to go play Roanoke or Rush when they could play local rivals within an hour or less.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 19:33
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
CCL is long gone keep dreaming. CCL is the new ODSL
ccl can literally compete with almost any of the ecnl-rl teams
In which age group and gender?
Anonymous
09/27/2021 17:16
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
CCL is long gone keep dreaming. CCL is the new ODSL
ccl can literally compete with almost any of the ecnl-rl teams
Anonymous
09/27/2021 16:56
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
CC1 had its run. It was good for awhile, but really, it’s almost done. I know the rankings aren’t perfect, but they do hold some weight. Arlington’s second team is ranked number 10 in Virginia. So while yes, it’s a second team at Arlington, they play much more on par with first teams of other areas.
if you want your dc to play MLS Next or ECNL — then ECNL-RL is the best proving group at the moment. Then EDP Division 1 or 2. If they can dominate games in ECNL-RL, they should be able to at least compete in ECNL
Anonymous
09/27/2021 10:44
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.
Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:
MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5
CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are
the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier
Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.
But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.
Arlington and VDA have some teams that would be fine in MLS Next, but the other ECNL clubs would get mowed down.
Nobody cares about MLS 'Now' why would anyone care about MLS 'Next'? MLS is lower than rec soccer on the global scale.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 10:36
Subject: ECNL - RL
Wait, my DC plays ECNL-R and has already committed to SMAU. Lots of teammates are being recruited as well.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 09:48
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
Maybe Loudoun prayed for guests but Arlington Red (2nd team) was at or near the top of several CCl 1 divisions and is now out. SYC, also very strong, now has MLS and ECNL so whatever is left for CCL can't be very strong. Beach and Skyline are gone. Definitely not the same as a year ago--which was already a very mixed bag!
Anonymous
09/27/2021 09:28
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
CCL is long gone keep dreaming. CCL is the new ODSL
Anonymous
09/27/2021 09:19
Subject: ECNL - RL
Interesting the hate of CCL. It’s funny when people say “top teams” left CCL. Only Beach and Skyline did. Loudon and Arlington were second teams. CCL clubs prayed that ECNL players were coming down to play so games would be competitive at the older age groups. Realistically the list goes:
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
MLS Next
ECNL
CCL1/ECNL-RL/EDP 1 & 2
CCL top clubs are good and can compete. ECNL-RL is the same. Both leagues have top clubs and both leagues have some weak clubs that fill out numbers.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 08:52
Subject: ECNL - RL
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't think CCL will survive much longer. My kids were in CCL 1 last year at different age groups and, while the top teams were very strong, and the middle teams were all solid, the weak teams were MUCH weaker--comparable to NCSL 3 or 4. All of those strong teams have left CCL, except Alexandria U9-U12. All of them. I no longer have kids in CCL but I assume after these changes, the now top teams of my kids' former divisions at around the level of NCSL 1 and 2. There is no other league I have seen that has such disparity within divisions as CCL.
Obviously, there are exceptional teams that may be stronger than others in the category above (for example, many of Arlington's ECNL teams would be good MLS Next teams), but for boys, I think it goes like this:
MLS Next
ECNL
EDP D1 and D2
ECNL-RL/EDP D3/NCSL 1
EDP 4 and NCSL 2
CCL 1
CCL 2/NCSL 3 - 5
CCL 1 is better than edp 4 maybe even 3 I respect everyone's opinion but ccl is not terrible like everyone says they are
the upper half of ccl2 isn't bad so maybe ncsl 2 and edp 4 tier
Yes, EDP 4 is pretty much rec. You might get one or two decent teams. I'm thinking CCL1 = EDP 3 on average.
But in general, it depends on the age, so this is almost impossible to do. And I'm not so sure MLS Next > ECNL at least in the DMV.
Agree that it depends on the age. And though I have seen a lot of games--sons and nephews in travel in the DMV--that's a limited view.
But CCL has the greatest range of teams that I have seen, probably because it is the smallest and lacks promotion and relegation. So, the average is less meaningful than it is in an NCSL divison or EDP division. I don't know that the median would give you all the relevant information either but it would definitely give you a different picture. I don't think CCL is terrible but I don't think it has a niche anymore.