i can't believe we're still waiting on these. Anyone have any inside scoop?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

Summer? Seriously?

Summer is the equivalent of a mile fun run, instead of a 5k, 10k, 10 miler, etc. Which of these is taken more seriously in the sport?

Sprints are taken far more y than 5ks

The NCSA Orlando cut times are available.

Anonymous wrote:the same parents who are denigrating high school and summer swimming are probably the same ones obsessing over JO cut times....in October.

Truth.

I love summer swim. I am a team rep and it is like rec and we want it to be. I want every kid to walk away from summer swim with a LOVE of swimming. That is why kids do summer. My kids are club swimmers too and pretty serious (right now). So although club is fun it is not social like summer swim. Most swimmers if they are in shape (and not necessarily from swimming) can do pretty well with 50s. Those same kids would not do so well beyond that distance. They both have their place in the world. We want our summer swimmers swimming over winter but there is a difference between getting in the water one or two days a week and competitive club swimming where you are looking at JO cut times.

the same parents who are denigrating high school and summer swimming are probably the same ones obsessing over JO cut times....in October.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

This is not even remotely true. Club swimming is the real swimming. Summer season? That is "fun" and not even close to real - it is a reward for club. Club is real swimming - longer distances, long course, etc. It is also what differentiates swimmers from just a decent sprinter. I know plenty of kids that are great at a 50 but can't do a 100 or 200, real swimming.

don't bring in that snobby attitude that sprint events aren't real events. a 1500 meter swimmer is no more of a real swimmer than a 50 freestyler. They are both real swimming and both require different sets of skills or talents. If you don't think summer season is real for kids, I don't know what to tell you. And this isn't meant to make it aa club vs summer argument. Both are great. Maybe you should tell Phoebe Bacon that MCSL isn't real. Like the time she suited up for All Stars two weeks before going to the Pan Am games. Or that her high school Metros meet wasn't real swimming.

Summer is basically the rec version of swim. Pay the fee and you can participate!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

Summer? Seriously?

Summer is the equivalent of a mile fun run, instead of a 5k, 10k, 10 miler, etc. Which of these is taken more seriously in the sport?

That is awesome and accurate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

Summer? Seriously?

Summer is the equivalent of a mile fun run, instead of a 5k, 10k, 10 miler, etc. Which of these is taken more seriously in the sport?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

This is not even remotely true. Club swimming is the real swimming. Summer season? That is "fun" and not even close to real - it is a reward for club. Club is real swimming - longer distances, long course, etc. It is also what differentiates swimmers from just a decent sprinter. I know plenty of kids that are great at a 50 but can't do a 100 or 200, real swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok I know this is a basic question but what is the difference between LCM and SCY? Is one yards and one meters?
What difference does the “summer” component make. Does the “S” stand for summer or “short”.
I am confused!! Help?

LCM: long course meters - 50M pool length - Olympics and typically summer club season races
SCY: short course yards- 25y pool length - winter club, college, high school races
SCM: short course meters - 25M pool length - summer swim leagues

To add to this, occasionally a summer pool will be SCY but it’s rare. Also, when looking at a single event (e.g. 50 free) a swimmer’s times from fastest to slowest will be SCY < SCM < LCM. SCM times are faster then LCM because the turns really help. LCM is like real swimming lol. Different swimmers will be better at different courses. People with good starts and turns will like short course better. People with long strokes will like long course. I liked short course for freestyle because turns were where I could beat people (I did middle distance — 200 and 500). But for breast (my best event) I was relatively better at long course because I could lengthen my strokes and get into a rhythm without feeling like I was (literally) hitting a wall every few strokes. Plus 7 pullouts are killer in a 200 short course breast.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

100% false.

Anonymous wrote:As we begin the first few meets of the season, wondering when PVS will publish the qualifying times for upcoming meets?!
Any ideas?

Thx!!

Club swim meets are a big letdown. Simply a platform to prepare for the summer and high school seasons. Don’t obsess over these silly motivational times. Your kids should be in this to compete and have fun. Times will come and go

Anonymous wrote:Ok I know this is a basic question but what is the difference between LCM and SCY? Is one yards and one meters?
What difference does the “summer” component make. Does the “S” stand for summer or “short”.
I am confused!! Help?

LCM: long course meters - 50M pool length - Olympics and typically summer club season races
SCY: short course yards- 25y pool length - winter club, college, high school races
SCM: short course meters - 25M pool length - summer swim leagues

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok I know this is a basic question but what is the difference between LCM and SCY? Is one yards and one meters?
What difference does the “summer” component make. Does the “S” stand for summer or “short”.
I am confused!! Help?

LCM races are swim in an Olympic-sized 50 meter pool. So a 100 race would be across the pool and back. Generally, meets with LCM events are swum between April and August, which is where the summer part comes in. This is NOT talking about summer leagues (NVSL, MCSL, etc) but USA Swimming meets. SCY is a 25 yard pool (so how the indoors pools normally are configured). Short Course Yards is usually swum from fall to March.

This. While summer has nothing to do with SCY, it does relate to club swimming a little. Summer teams do only 25s or 50s with no dive blocks. Club meets have dive blocks and usually longer events. A kid who does well at summer 50 meter free, may do much better or much worse at a 200, 500, 1000, etc. free.