Anonymous
09/22/2021 17:37
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whenever FCPS says scores are "holding steady" or still above national averages it's a pretty good sign they are declining, as has been the case in FCPS for the last two years.
Scores improved in Loudoun and I wouldn't be surprised if they improved in Arlington as well. Fairfax is a system in steep decline because it constantly sends the message that merit is a product of inequity and should be downplayed, and that the only goal should be equal outcomes for all. Rather than pay dividends, this race to the bottom is driving people with other options out of FCPS.
I’ve worked with both LCPS and FCPS. LCPS is a much better district. It’s a lot easier to be a teacher with LCPS. The students are higher academically and less entitled.
Whatever.
Loudoun County is richer (HHI $143k v $125k), has fewer F/R lunch students (18.7% v. 30.91%), has more white and Asian students (68% v 59.5%), and the SAT's have been lower, at least until this year.
I do not know them for 2021. In 2020 FCPS was 1211 and LCPS was 1173. The much maligned (on this board anyway) Herndon High School had an average SAT of 1173 in 2020, same as the Loudoun average. Not the only measure, but since this is a thread about SAT scores, and you commented, we'll use that.
Glad it is easier to teach there for you, though. Congrats on that.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 17:29
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whenever FCPS says scores are "holding steady" or still above national averages it's a pretty good sign they are declining, as has been the case in FCPS for the last two years.
Scores improved in Loudoun and I wouldn't be surprised if they improved in Arlington as well. Fairfax is a system in steep decline because it constantly sends the message that merit is a product of inequity and should be downplayed, and that the only goal should be equal outcomes for all. Rather than pay dividends, this race to the bottom is driving people with other options out of FCPS.
I’ve worked with both LCPS and FCPS. LCPS is a much better district. It’s a lot easier to be a teacher with LCPS. The students are higher academically and less entitled.
The scores in LCPS are still a good bit lower than in FCPS but they are trending in the right direction, whereas FCPS is in decline with the hapless Superintendent and the sad assortment of crazies and hypocrites on the School Board.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 16:57
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Whenever FCPS says scores are "holding steady" or still above national averages it's a pretty good sign they are declining, as has been the case in FCPS for the last two years.
Scores improved in Loudoun and I wouldn't be surprised if they improved in Arlington as well. Fairfax is a system in steep decline because it constantly sends the message that merit is a product of inequity and should be downplayed, and that the only goal should be equal outcomes for all. Rather than pay dividends, this race to the bottom is driving people with other options out of FCPS.
I’ve worked with both LCPS and FCPS. LCPS is a much better district. It’s a lot easier to be a teacher with LCPS. The students are higher academically and less entitled.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 16:54
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Huh? FCPS sent an email claiming that the SAT scores were great compared to VA and Globally.
Well, in the US it’s 1068. So….it is better.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 16:33
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
I think PP was making a reasonable inference since the FCPS and Virginia averages have been heading in opposite directions. What's your point?
Anonymous
09/22/2021 16:20
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, OP. Are you sure?
I looked up an old post of scores from December 2019:
TJ 1530
Langley 1330
McLean 1305
Madison 1277
Oakton 1274
Woodson 1260
Chantilly 1253
Marshall 1246
Centreville 1222
FCPS AVERAGE 1218
Lake Braddock 1210
Fairfax 1208
West Springfield 1202
Robinson 1195
Westfield 1195
South Lakes 1194
South County 1187
Herndon 1176
Falls Church 1158
Hayfield 1138
Edison 1131
West Potomac 1126
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1119
Annandale 1112
Lee 1095
Justice 1084
US AVERAGE 1059
Mount Vernon 1048
Those are scores from the Class of 2019 two years ago (I fixed a typo above about the FCPS average for that class, which was 1218, not 1208).
And now the average is down to 1201, and they don't even release the scores for individual schools because they don't want you to know which ones are now below the state and national average. It's almost surely more than four below the state average now.
So, you’re guessing.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 16:05
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Whenever FCPS says scores are "holding steady" or still above national averages it's a pretty good sign they are declining, as has been the case in FCPS for the last two years.
Scores improved in Loudoun and I wouldn't be surprised if they improved in Arlington as well. Fairfax is a system in steep decline because it constantly sends the message that merit is a product of inequity and should be downplayed, and that the only goal should be equal outcomes for all. Rather than pay dividends, this race to the bottom is driving people with other options out of FCPS.
Scores improved in Loudoun and I wouldn't be surprised if they improved in Arlington as well. Fairfax is a system in steep decline because it constantly sends the message that merit is a product of inequity and should be downplayed, and that the only goal should be equal outcomes for all. Rather than pay dividends, this race to the bottom is driving people with other options out of FCPS.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:53
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:It's nice to have someone else in the dummy club! Welcome - we tend to be nicer than the average!
Not the averager above, but a fellow member of the dummy club and this was thoughtful.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:52
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
It's nice to have someone else in the dummy club! Welcome - we tend to be nicer than the average!
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:50
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, OP. Are you sure?
I looked up an old post of scores from December 2019:
TJ 1530
Langley 1330
McLean 1305
Madison 1277
Oakton 1274
Woodson 1260
Chantilly 1253
Marshall 1246
Centreville 1222
FCPS AVERAGE 1218
Lake Braddock 1210
Fairfax 1208
West Springfield 1202
Robinson 1195
Westfield 1195
South Lakes 1194
South County 1187
Herndon 1176
Falls Church 1158
Hayfield 1138
Edison 1131
West Potomac 1126
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1119
Annandale 1112
Lee 1095
Justice 1084
US AVERAGE 1059
Mount Vernon 1048
Those are scores from the Class of 2019 two years ago (I fixed a typo above about the FCPS average for that class, which was 1218, not 1208).
And now the average is down to 1201, and they don't even release the scores for individual schools because they don't want you to know which ones are now below the state and national average. It's almost surely more than four below the state average now.
I've doublechecked the math and the FCPS average in 2019 was 1206.
How about comparing your math to FCPS's? This was their report, said 1218.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/sat-scores-fcps-students-continue-exceed-state-and-national-averages
Yes, using their reported numbers for the schools, it was 1206.
Wait, are you seriously adding up each school's average score and averaging that? Not all schools have the same number of test takers.
I assumed that's what PP was doing as well. Can't get much dumber than that.
Yes, that's what I did. I was wrong. Sorry for cluttering up the thread.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:48
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, OP. Are you sure?
I looked up an old post of scores from December 2019:
TJ 1530
Langley 1330
McLean 1305
Madison 1277
Oakton 1274
Woodson 1260
Chantilly 1253
Marshall 1246
Centreville 1222
FCPS AVERAGE 1218
Lake Braddock 1210
Fairfax 1208
West Springfield 1202
Robinson 1195
Westfield 1195
South Lakes 1194
South County 1187
Herndon 1176
Falls Church 1158
Hayfield 1138
Edison 1131
West Potomac 1126
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1119
Annandale 1112
Lee 1095
Justice 1084
US AVERAGE 1059
Mount Vernon 1048
Those are scores from the Class of 2019 two years ago (I fixed a typo above about the FCPS average for that class, which was 1218, not 1208).
And now the average is down to 1201, and they don't even release the scores for individual schools because they don't want you to know which ones are now below the state and national average. It's almost surely more than four below the state average now.
I've doublechecked the math and the FCPS average in 2019 was 1206.
How about comparing your math to FCPS's? This was their report, said 1218.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/sat-scores-fcps-students-continue-exceed-state-and-national-averages
Yes, using their reported numbers for the schools, it was 1206.
Wait, are you seriously adding up each school's average score and averaging that? Not all schools have the same number of test takers.
I assumed that's what PP was doing as well. Can't get much dumber than that.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:47
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Only the scores of Asian students are holding more of less steady over the past two years. Big decline in the scores for Black, Hispanic, and White students.
Heads should be rolling in Gatehouse over this latest fiasco.
Heads should be rolling in Gatehouse over this latest fiasco.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:42
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, OP. Are you sure?
I looked up an old post of scores from December 2019:
TJ 1530
Langley 1330
McLean 1305
Madison 1277
Oakton 1274
Woodson 1260
Chantilly 1253
Marshall 1246
Centreville 1222
FCPS AVERAGE 1218
Lake Braddock 1210
Fairfax 1208
West Springfield 1202
Robinson 1195
Westfield 1195
South Lakes 1194
South County 1187
Herndon 1176
Falls Church 1158
Hayfield 1138
Edison 1131
West Potomac 1126
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1119
Annandale 1112
Lee 1095
Justice 1084
US AVERAGE 1059
Mount Vernon 1048
Those are scores from the Class of 2019 two years ago (I fixed a typo above about the FCPS average for that class, which was 1218, not 1208).
And now the average is down to 1201, and they don't even release the scores for individual schools because they don't want you to know which ones are now below the state and national average. It's almost surely more than four below the state average now.
I've doublechecked the math and the FCPS average in 2019 was 1206.
How about comparing your math to FCPS's? This was their report, said 1218.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/sat-scores-fcps-students-continue-exceed-state-and-national-averages
Yes, using their reported numbers for the schools, it was 1206.
Wait, are you seriously adding up each school's average score and averaging that? Not all schools have the same number of test takers.
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:42
Subject: SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm confused, OP. Are you sure?
I looked up an old post of scores from December 2019:
TJ 1530
Langley 1330
McLean 1305
Madison 1277
Oakton 1274
Woodson 1260
Chantilly 1253
Marshall 1246
Centreville 1222
FCPS AVERAGE 1218
Lake Braddock 1210
Fairfax 1208
West Springfield 1202
Robinson 1195
Westfield 1195
South Lakes 1194
South County 1187
Herndon 1176
Falls Church 1158
Hayfield 1138
Edison 1131
West Potomac 1126
VIRGINIA AVERAGE 1119
Annandale 1112
Lee 1095
Justice 1084
US AVERAGE 1059
Mount Vernon 1048
Those are scores from the Class of 2019 two years ago (I fixed a typo above about the FCPS average for that class, which was 1218, not 1208).
And now the average is down to 1201, and they don't even release the scores for individual schools because they don't want you to know which ones are now below the state and national average. It's almost surely more than four below the state average now.
I've doublechecked the math and the FCPS average in 2019 was 1206.
How about comparing your math to FCPS's? This was their report, said 1218.
https://www.fcps.edu/news/sat-scores-fcps-students-continue-exceed-state-and-national-averages
Yes, using their reported numbers for the schools, it was 1206.
Did you weight them using population of the graduating class in 2019 at each school?
Anonymous
09/22/2021 14:40
Subject: Re:SAT Scores Drop in FCPS
Anonymous wrote:Information released by FCPS indicates that, over a 2-year period in which SAT scores in Virginia increased by 32 points, the average in FCPS declined 17 points.
I guess people can keep trying to create confusion about the facts, or they can look at what's been happening in the county and FCPS to precipitate the decline.
The Virginia numbers make sense since the participation was 33% lower, meaning that only the more competitive students took the SAT and the expectation is that the scores would go up.
In FCPS, the participation was about the same (4% drop) so the scores are roughly comparing like-to-like.