Anonymous
09/25/2021 10:42
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I'm sure some people have lied about their kids' ages here to get their under 12s vaccinated, putting the health of their children at risk with unapproved drugs. I hope Child Protective Services will hunt out these nuts.
Meanwhile, some mother on AEM had a post saying her vaccinated 12 year old is afraid to eat lunch indoors at school and didn't eat (and had some ridiculous photo of a mask that opened in the middle). Meanwhile, the vast majority of kids throughout the US and world have been eating indoors at restaurants for 5+ months now. The kids of these paranoid parents are going to have serious emotional problems when they grow up.
Sigh. Yes, Teachers Union Comp Man/VLP Parent posted on AEM last week that he's afraid his vaccine won't work, then was on NBC National News last night begging for a booster. Another VLP Parent was on Twitter saying how his child was scared to death last spring to be in the school building to take SOLs. All for a virus that is less dangerous to kids than the seasonal flu or riding in a car.
These people's poor kids. They probably already do and in the future will continue to have so many mental health problems.
I'm sure these are the same type of people on these boards, screaming for "close contacts" to be defined as broadly as possible. Across the pond in Europe, many schools are no longer even quarantining close contacts, especially with the UK's data showing only 1.6% ever later tested positive. When you balance the extreme harm from kids missing school vs. the tiny risk to kids of COVID, the default needs to be they go to school.
Hopefully the US gets caught up and starts following the science soon (and not following paranoia).
We see rants like this about our teachers and then the same people are like - what? why doesn't may kid have a German teacher?
Anonymous
09/25/2021 10:06
Subject: Re:APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Has anyone on this board received a call from the health department? Do they simply inform you that you’re a close contact, or do they ask follow up questions to determine if you’re a close contact?
Me. Nope, just said hopefully the school already called. We were 5 days in by the time the county called.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 23:35
Subject: Re:APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:By "close the gap", the PP meant close the gap between those who have vaccinated and those that haven't simply to avoid the unnecessary "close contact" quarantine. I probably wouldn't rush my 11 year old to get the vaccine, but I want to avoid him having to stay home if he happens to be near a (+) case. So... I'll probably line him up the first week because losing over a week of school at this point would devastate him. He is so happy to be back in the classroom and is once again flourishing.
It's only a matter of months (or weeks) before test to stay is done in VA, eliminating quarantines for close contacts. That will probably be done before the vaccine is approved for 5 to 11 year olds.
True. MoCo is getting ready to roll out test-to-stay soon:
https://bethesdamagazine.com/bethesda-beat/schools/mcps-will-roll-out-covid-19-test-to-stay-protocol-to-reduce-student-quarantines/
Will be such a relief for parents when Arlington gets it. ES parents will no longer have to worry about their kids missing school because they were a close contact.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 17:44
Subject: Re:APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:By "close the gap", the PP meant close the gap between those who have vaccinated and those that haven't simply to avoid the unnecessary "close contact" quarantine. I probably wouldn't rush my 11 year old to get the vaccine, but I want to avoid him having to stay home if he happens to be near a (+) case. So... I'll probably line him up the first week because losing over a week of school at this point would devastate him. He is so happy to be back in the classroom and is once again flourishing.
It's only a matter of months (or weeks) before test to stay is done in VA, eliminating quarantines for close contacts. That will probably be done before the vaccine is approved for 5 to 11 year olds.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 16:56
Subject: Re:APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
By "close the gap", the PP meant close the gap between those who have vaccinated and those that haven't simply to avoid the unnecessary "close contact" quarantine. I probably wouldn't rush my 11 year old to get the vaccine, but I want to avoid him having to stay home if he happens to be near a (+) case. So... I'll probably line him up the first week because losing over a week of school at this point would devastate him. He is so happy to be back in the classroom and is once again flourishing.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 13:59
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Arlington's vaccination rate of 12 to 17 year olds is through the roof. Probably one of the highest in the country.
If you ask your average Arlingtonian, they think 12 to 17 year olds are dying left and right and they think COVID will be eradicated (both false). Little do they know that many recent flu seasons are more deadly to kids than COVID and COVID will be here for the rest of everyone's life. How does this misinformation take over in one of the most educated counties in the country?
Close contacts, vaccinated or not, should not be quarantining period. A 1.6% rate of later getting COVID vs. the harm of missing school vs. the less than flu level risk of COVID to kids. Balance of harms is clear here that quarantines should be eliminated for close contacts.
The latest numbers on ages 12-19 on the Arlington vaccination dashboard is 87% vaccinated. That has to be one of the highest in the country.
The APS quarantine policy will close the gap.
And parents will be pushing to get their 5-11s vaccinated on the first day.
Close the gap? You mean the likely 98.4% of close contacts who will never test positive? That's not a gap, that's a canyon.
Yes, I'm sure that the same parents thinking their kids will die tomorrow of a virus less deadly than the flu will be there on day 1 when 5 to 11 year olds can get vaccinated. They only tested the vaccine with 3,000 kids in the latest trial with 1,500 getting a placebo (see WSJ article) so I'm happy to let those parents have their kids go first.
I think this parody summarized it best - "Pfizer Assures That Vaccine Is Almost As Safe For Kids As COVID":
https://babylonbee.com/news/fda-assures-vaccine-is-almost-as-safe-for-kids-as-covid
Anonymous
09/24/2021 13:40
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Arlington's vaccination rate of 12 to 17 year olds is through the roof. Probably one of the highest in the country.
If you ask your average Arlingtonian, they think 12 to 17 year olds are dying left and right and they think COVID will be eradicated (both false). Little do they know that many recent flu seasons are more deadly to kids than COVID and COVID will be here for the rest of everyone's life. How does this misinformation take over in one of the most educated counties in the country?
Close contacts, vaccinated or not, should not be quarantining period. A 1.6% rate of later getting COVID vs. the harm of missing school vs. the less than flu level risk of COVID to kids. Balance of harms is clear here that quarantines should be eliminated for close contacts.
The latest numbers on ages 12-19 on the Arlington vaccination dashboard is 87% vaccinated. That has to be one of the highest in the country.
I've never heard anyone in Arlington say either of those (bolding mine). And I have kids in APS that are under 12. The parents I talk to are all vaccinated themselves and want the vaccine for their under 12s in order to (1) prevent disease, just like they get a vaccine for any other communicable illness, including the flu, and (2) minimize disruptions to school and life, i.e. quarantines.
But I'm not on FB, not a member of any group such as SR or APE, and am not having online discussions, but in-person discussions. So I would guess I'm having more reasonable conversations than some who are arguing online.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 12:12
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Arlington's vaccination rate of 12 to 17 year olds is through the roof. Probably one of the highest in the country.
If you ask your average Arlingtonian, they think 12 to 17 year olds are dying left and right and they think COVID will be eradicated (both false). Little do they know that many recent flu seasons are more deadly to kids than COVID and COVID will be here for the rest of everyone's life. How does this misinformation take over in one of the most educated counties in the country?
Close contacts, vaccinated or not, should not be quarantining period. A 1.6% rate of later getting COVID vs. the harm of missing school vs. the less than flu level risk of COVID to kids. Balance of harms is clear here that quarantines should be eliminated for close contacts.
The latest numbers on ages 12-19 on the Arlington vaccination dashboard is 87% vaccinated. That has to be one of the highest in the country.
The APS quarantine policy will close the gap.
And parents will be pushing to get their 5-11s vaccinated on the first day.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 11:56
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Arlington's vaccination rate of 12 to 17 year olds is through the roof. Probably one of the highest in the country.
If you ask your average Arlingtonian, they think 12 to 17 year olds are dying left and right and they think COVID will be eradicated (both false). Little do they know that many recent flu seasons are more deadly to kids than COVID and COVID will be here for the rest of everyone's life. How does this misinformation take over in one of the most educated counties in the country?
Close contacts, vaccinated or not, should not be quarantining period. A 1.6% rate of later getting COVID vs. the harm of missing school vs. the less than flu level risk of COVID to kids. Balance of harms is clear here that quarantines should be eliminated for close contacts.
The latest numbers on ages 12-19 on the Arlington vaccination dashboard is 87% vaccinated. That has to be one of the highest in the country.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 10:36
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Arlington's vaccination rate of 12 to 17 year olds is through the roof. Probably one of the highest in the country.
If you ask your average Arlingtonian, they think 12 to 17 year olds are dying left and right and they think COVID will be eradicated (both false). Little do they know that many recent flu seasons are more deadly to kids than COVID and COVID will be here for the rest of everyone's life. How does this misinformation take over in one of the most educated counties in the country?
Close contacts, vaccinated or not, should not be quarantining period. A 1.6% rate of later getting COVID vs. the harm of missing school vs. the less than flu level risk of COVID to kids. Balance of harms is clear here that quarantines should be eliminated for close contacts.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 10:28
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
I bet the APS vaccination rate for kids will jump up as soon as parents realize that vaccinated kids don't need to quarantine if they are a close contact...
Anonymous
09/24/2021 10:21
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It would be if you got your kid vaccinated by lying about their age or in a trial.
I'm sure some people have lied about their kids' ages here to get their under 12s vaccinated, putting the health of their children at risk with unapproved drugs. I hope Child Protective Services will hunt out these nuts.
Meanwhile, some mother on AEM had a post saying her vaccinated 12 year old is afraid to eat lunch indoors at school and didn't eat (and had some ridiculous photo of a mask that opened in the middle). Meanwhile, the vast majority of kids throughout the US and world have been eating indoors at restaurants for 5+ months now. The kids of these paranoid parents are going to have serious emotional problems when they grow up.
Yeah right. There’s as much a chance of that happening as CPS taking kids away from parents who won’t get them an approved vaccine because they’re stupid. You sound a little touched.
The majority of people in the United States haven't vaccinated their 12 to 17 year olds.
Don't compare a parents' choice to not give their child a newly approved medicine (for a disease statistically they have a 0 risk of dying from) to giving a non-approved medicine to small children. The FDA is lowering the dose by 2/3 for kids from 5 to 11 too because of the risk of myocarditis in kids, especially in boys. That's like comparing people giving their children non-approved drugs to parents who don't give their kids the flu shot.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 10:09
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is not a close contact if the student is vaccinated. At least in our experience, vaccinated kids don't have to quarantine if in contact. So I suspect once they call the suspected close contact, if the kid is vaccinated it is not reported as a close contact. Is your kid in ES or MS?
Unless it’s not a recognized vaccine
What vaccines are unrecognized? Is this really a thing?
I know, right? You ever seen a horse with COVID? Me neither. Sounds like it works to me.
It would be if you got your kid vaccinated by lying about their age or in a trial.
I'm sure some people have lied about their kids' ages here to get their under 12s vaccinated, putting the health of their children at risk with unapproved drugs. I hope Child Protective Services will hunt out these nuts.
Meanwhile, some mother on AEM had a post saying her vaccinated 12 year old is afraid to eat lunch indoors at school and didn't eat (and had some ridiculous photo of a mask that opened in the middle). Meanwhile, the vast majority of kids throughout the US and world have been eating indoors at restaurants for 5+ months now. The kids of these paranoid parents are going to have serious emotional problems when they grow up.
Yeah right. There’s as much a chance of that happening as CPS taking kids away from parents who won’t get them an approved vaccine because they’re stupid. You sound a little touched.
Anonymous
09/24/2021 10:07
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:
I'm sure some people have lied about their kids' ages here to get their under 12s vaccinated, putting the health of their children at risk with unapproved drugs. I hope Child Protective Services will hunt out these nuts.
Meanwhile, some mother on AEM had a post saying her vaccinated 12 year old is afraid to eat lunch indoors at school and didn't eat (and had some ridiculous photo of a mask that opened in the middle). Meanwhile, the vast majority of kids throughout the US and world have been eating indoors at restaurants for 5+ months now. The kids of these paranoid parents are going to have serious emotional problems when they grow up.
Sigh. Yes, Teachers Union Comp Man/VLP Parent posted on AEM last week that he's afraid his vaccine won't work, then was on NBC National News last night begging for a booster. Another VLP Parent was on Twitter saying how his child was scared to death last spring to be in the school building to take SOLs. All for a virus that is less dangerous to kids than the seasonal flu or riding in a car.
These people's poor kids. They probably already do and in the future will continue to have so many mental health problems.
I'm sure these are the same type of people on these boards, screaming for "close contacts" to be defined as broadly as possible. Across the pond in Europe, many schools are no longer even quarantining close contacts, especially with the UK's data showing only 1.6% ever later tested positive. When you balance the extreme harm from kids missing school vs. the tiny risk to kids of COVID, the default needs to be they go to school.
Hopefully the US gets caught up and starts following the science soon (and not following paranoia).
Anonymous
09/24/2021 09:58
Subject: APS close contacts - lag in reporting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is not a close contact if the student is vaccinated. At least in our experience, vaccinated kids don't have to quarantine if in contact. So I suspect once they call the suspected close contact, if the kid is vaccinated it is not reported as a close contact. Is your kid in ES or MS?
Unless it’s not a recognized vaccine
What vaccines are unrecognized? Is this really a thing?
I know, right? You ever seen a horse with COVID? Me neither. Sounds like it works to me.
It would be if you got your kid vaccinated by lying about their age or in a trial.
I'm sure some people have lied about their kids' ages here to get their under 12s vaccinated, putting the health of their children at risk with unapproved drugs. I hope Child Protective Services will hunt out these nuts.
Meanwhile, some mother on AEM had a post saying her vaccinated 12 year old is afraid to eat lunch indoors at school and didn't eat (and had some ridiculous photo of a mask that opened in the middle). Meanwhile, the vast majority of kids throughout the US and world have been eating indoors at restaurants for 5+ months now. The kids of these paranoid parents are going to have serious emotional problems when they grow up.