Anonymous
09/27/2021 18:16
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
Bring freedom and democracy to less fortunate parts of the world. Keep Americans safe from acts of terror. The thing is, sometimes things can sound very nice on the surface, but hide something very different underneath. The true goals of it turned out to be something more like this:
Use political cover to go on a rage-induced revenge rampage someplace far away where most Americans wouldn't care what happened. Let influential people get the jump on leveraging powerful emerging Internet technologies as tools for exploitation and control.
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
To make TJ more inclusive for Blacks, Hispanics, and less affluent students. To prevent people from misusing their privilege to cheat and buy their way into TJ. I know that not all well-intentioned changes go sour. Still, it will probably take a bit of convincing to get me to believe that the deeper motives are any better than this:
Exploiting people with marginal societal influence, in a jealousy-induced effort to undercut the success of a different disliked minority. Turning the admissions process into a more opaque numbers game, so that people with strong political connections will have way more wiggle room to play favorites, and to proclaim new meanings for the word "smart," when it fits their agendas.
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Sad. But so very true. The Merit Lottery originally proposed would have given whites a plurality at TJ.
This is true if and only if the applicant pool was exactly as the C4TJ "study" presumed it would - where literally every single eligible 8th grader in the catchment areas applied to TJ. Because the pool of eligible 8th graders - like the pool of all 8th graders - is plurality white, of course the eventual selection pool would mirror that demographic fairly closely.
There is no reasonable scenario where it can be believed that every single eligible 8th grader would have applied to TJ. This is the biggest reason why the whole "44% white" number that was thrown about was intentionally misleading - because it supports the convenient narrative that all of these changes were put in place with an eye toward increasing the white population at TJ. This has never been true. The present school board doesn't care at all about the white population.
Yes they do. That’s why there are no walkers that go to Whitman Middle School, and why they spend $700 million to expand capacity at West Springfield HS, which was already at over capacity, than send white children to a mostly black and brown school, Mount Vernon, which is at under capacity.
Let’s not forget that FCPS did their own study on Merit lottery, after they proposed it, that came to same conclusions as C4TJ. Anyone can run those numbers that takes into account that lottery slots were limited based on region, and not county wide, applicants.
Since you are also claiming that the school board doesn’t care for whites, let’s look at Langley, mostly white, less than 2% Free and Reduced Meals, and offers many of the same classes as TJ. Where are these so called ‘diversity’ advocates?! Silence. Admission reform at TJ was motivated by jealousy and is all about tearing down a non-white group.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 17:44
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
Bring freedom and democracy to less fortunate parts of the world. Keep Americans safe from acts of terror. The thing is, sometimes things can sound very nice on the surface, but hide something very different underneath. The true goals of it turned out to be something more like this:
Use political cover to go on a rage-induced revenge rampage someplace far away where most Americans wouldn't care what happened. Let influential people get the jump on leveraging powerful emerging Internet technologies as tools for exploitation and control.
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
To make TJ more inclusive for Blacks, Hispanics, and less affluent students. To prevent people from misusing their privilege to cheat and buy their way into TJ. I know that not all well-intentioned changes go sour. Still, it will probably take a bit of convincing to get me to believe that the deeper motives are any better than this:
Exploiting people with marginal societal influence, in a jealousy-induced effort to undercut the success of a different disliked minority. Turning the admissions process into a more opaque numbers game, so that people with strong political connections will have way more wiggle room to play favorites, and to proclaim new meanings for the word "smart," when it fits their agendas.
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Sad. But so very true. The Merit Lottery originally proposed would have given whites a plurality at TJ.
This is true if and only if the applicant pool was exactly as the C4TJ "study" presumed it would - where literally every single eligible 8th grader in the catchment areas applied to TJ. Because the pool of eligible 8th graders - like the pool of all 8th graders - is plurality white, of course the eventual selection pool would mirror that demographic fairly closely.
There is no reasonable scenario where it can be believed that every single eligible 8th grader would have applied to TJ. This is the biggest reason why the whole "44% white" number that was thrown about was intentionally misleading - because it supports the convenient narrative that all of these changes were put in place with an eye toward increasing the white population at TJ. This has never been true. The present school board doesn't care at all about the white population.
Yes they do. That’s why there are no walkers that go to Whitman Middle School, and why they spend $700 million to expand capacity at West Springfield HS, which was already at over capacity, than send white children to a mostly black and brown school, Mount Vernon, which is at under capacity.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 15:28
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
Bring freedom and democracy to less fortunate parts of the world. Keep Americans safe from acts of terror. The thing is, sometimes things can sound very nice on the surface, but hide something very different underneath. The true goals of it turned out to be something more like this:
Use political cover to go on a rage-induced revenge rampage someplace far away where most Americans wouldn't care what happened. Let influential people get the jump on leveraging powerful emerging Internet technologies as tools for exploitation and control.
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
To make TJ more inclusive for Blacks, Hispanics, and less affluent students. To prevent people from misusing their privilege to cheat and buy their way into TJ. I know that not all well-intentioned changes go sour. Still, it will probably take a bit of convincing to get me to believe that the deeper motives are any better than this:
Exploiting people with marginal societal influence, in a jealousy-induced effort to undercut the success of a different disliked minority. Turning the admissions process into a more opaque numbers game, so that people with strong political connections will have way more wiggle room to play favorites, and to proclaim new meanings for the word "smart," when it fits their agendas.
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Sad. But so very true. The Merit Lottery originally proposed would have given whites a plurality at TJ.
This is true if and only if the applicant pool was exactly as the C4TJ "study" presumed it would - where literally every single eligible 8th grader in the catchment areas applied to TJ. Because the pool of eligible 8th graders - like the pool of all 8th graders - is plurality white, of course the eventual selection pool would mirror that demographic fairly closely.
There is no reasonable scenario where it can be believed that every single eligible 8th grader would have applied to TJ. This is the biggest reason why the whole "44% white" number that was thrown about was intentionally misleading - because it supports the convenient narrative that all of these changes were put in place with an eye toward increasing the white population at TJ. This has never been true. The present school board doesn't care at all about the white population.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 15:09
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
Bring freedom and democracy to less fortunate parts of the world. Keep Americans safe from acts of terror. The thing is, sometimes things can sound very nice on the surface, but hide something very different underneath. The true goals of it turned out to be something more like this:
Use political cover to go on a rage-induced revenge rampage someplace far away where most Americans wouldn't care what happened. Let influential people get the jump on leveraging powerful emerging Internet technologies as tools for exploitation and control.
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
To make TJ more inclusive for Blacks, Hispanics, and less affluent students. To prevent people from misusing their privilege to cheat and buy their way into TJ. I know that not all well-intentioned changes go sour. Still, it will probably take a bit of convincing to get me to believe that the deeper motives are any better than this:
Exploiting people with marginal societal influence, in a jealousy-induced effort to undercut the success of a different disliked minority. Turning the admissions process into a more opaque numbers game, so that people with strong political connections will have way more wiggle room to play favorites, and to proclaim new meanings for the word "smart," when it fits their agendas.
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Sad. But so very true. The Merit Lottery originally proposed would have given whites a plurality at TJ.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 13:06
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:
The public will not know the proprietary process, but the lawyers and Judge will know. That's how law suits work. For example, the lawyers in the Yale case know exactly how race was used and the Judge described it vaguely without revealing the proprietary process in detail to protect it from the public. The one thing we will know is if it is race-blind or not (as in the applicants are truly assigned a number and there is no way of knowing the gender, race, or school the applicant came from when grading the SES).
The applicants can state their race in the essay.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 13:05
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
Loudoun and Fairfax have been working together on these changes, as acknowledged at an MSAAC meeting in Loudoun.
At the Loudoun School Board meeting where they voted on changes to Academy of Loudoun admissions, the essay was described as having two reviewers who would be trained to grade based on equity.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 12:58
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
From what has happened in the case so far, the Coalition has conceded that the SES graders did not know the race or gender of the students. The case is going forward on the claim that the 1.5% rule and getting rid of the math test were done to intentionally ensure fewer Asians are admitted and that other races are admitted instead.
Of course this has no merit and we'll get laughed out of court hopefully they'll be stuck with the huge bill for their legal costs.
No merit as to what? As in the changes were not designed to reduce the number of Asians? Or the changes were done to reduce the number of Asians but was done in a lawful way? Or something else?
So here's the deal. The following items are two different things:
1) Attempting to improve the number of Black and Hispanic students
2) Attempting to reduce the number of Asian students
Number 1 has been well established in case law as legal - and number 2 has been fairly well established as illegal.
Essentially every communication about the proposed and eventual changes to the admissions process has been about number 1. The problem is, because Asian families so thoroughly dominate the TJ admissions process and have for nearly a decade, it is nearly impossible to do number 1 without doing number 2 - in much the same way as it would have been nearly impossible to improve demographics without reducing the white population when FCPS first made serious noise about this back in 2001.
The new process "works" in creating a more balanced demographic - yes, at the expense of Asian students - because Northern Virginia is so overwhelmingly segregated. Students of lower income are largely forced into the eastern parts of the county, while students of South Asian descent are largely packed into small ethnic enclaves in Herndon, Chantilly, Ashburn, and South Riding.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 12:41
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
The public will not know the proprietary process, but the lawyers and Judge will know. That's how law suits work. For example, the lawyers in the Yale case know exactly how race was used and the Judge described it vaguely without revealing the proprietary process in detail to protect it from the public. The one thing we will know is if it is race-blind or not (as in the applicants are truly assigned a number and there is no way of knowing the gender, race, or school the applicant came from when grading the SES).
What you're talking about is a holistic, largely subjective evaluation process. What that means is that the readers - of which there are several for each applicant/pool of applicants - take the entire application portfolio and read it from cover to cover, analyze it through their own lenses, and then make a recommendation or a rating for each applicant. Without doubt, each reader evaluates on a different holistic and subjective scale. That's how admissions processes and job applications and everything IN THE REAL WORLD works. And that's all that a judge is going to learn from this process. It's not as though there is some secret formula that the readers are using to spit out some coefficient that puts applicants on a continuum.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 12:34
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
Bring freedom and democracy to less fortunate parts of the world. Keep Americans safe from acts of terror. The thing is, sometimes things can sound very nice on the surface, but hide something very different underneath. The true goals of it turned out to be something more like this:
Use political cover to go on a rage-induced revenge rampage someplace far away where most Americans wouldn't care what happened. Let influential people get the jump on leveraging powerful emerging Internet technologies as tools for exploitation and control.
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
To make TJ more inclusive for Blacks, Hispanics, and less affluent students. To prevent people from misusing their privilege to cheat and buy their way into TJ. I know that not all well-intentioned changes go sour. Still, it will probably take a bit of convincing to get me to believe that the deeper motives are any better than this:
Exploiting people with marginal societal influence, in a jealousy-induced effort to undercut the success of a different disliked minority. Turning the admissions process into a more opaque numbers game, so that people with strong political connections will have way more wiggle room to play favorites, and to proclaim new meanings for the word "smart," when it fits their agendas.
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Well, that's one way to waste 15 minutes of your life. Kudos.
Anonymous
09/27/2021 12:20
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
The public will not know the proprietary process, but the lawyers and Judge will know. That's how law suits work. For example, the lawyers in the Yale case know exactly how race was used and the Judge described it vaguely without revealing the proprietary process in detail to protect it from the public. The one thing we will know is if it is race-blind or not (as in the applicants are truly assigned a number and there is no way of knowing the gender, race, or school the applicant came from when grading the SES).
Anonymous
09/27/2021 00:34
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
Isn't it a bit ironic to suggest that you're trying to defeat the status quo, when at the same time you're saying that the school board will stop at nothing to support you? Doesn't that make you the status quo, and thus the embodiment of all the ugliness that a status quo entails?
I keep wondering who we're really trying to benefit here. I was one of those kids who the teachers tried to bury because I thought different, I didn't wear designer clothes, and I had a funny name. Luckily for me, the IQ tests came out on my side, and I was able to back it up when they put me in advanced classes. The whole idea that high-end merit testing is a tool of discrimination rather than an enemy of discrimination sets of all kinds of red flags for me. I'm sure we could trade plenty of stories about being the only kid in class who didn't have cable TV because our parents weren't going to pay for it, but I really am worried about whether these changes will be good for anybody.
Let me be cynical and put things into the context of other prominent political changes. For the past couple of decades, we've been swept up in this thing called the Global War on Terror. Its intention were very noble:
In this case, the stated goals of the TJ changes are:
But whatever. We live in a society which is more than willing to break a few things before it can convince itself that it was wrong.
Anonymous
09/26/2021 12:05
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
From what has happened in the case so far, the Coalition has conceded that the SES graders did not know the race or gender of the students. The case is going forward on the claim that the 1.5% rule and getting rid of the math test were done to intentionally ensure fewer Asians are admitted and that other races are admitted instead.
Of course this has no merit and we'll get laughed out of court hopefully they'll be stuck with the huge bill for their legal costs.
This has already been tried dozens of times and has been dismissed so can't imagine this will go anywhere either.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 18:06
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
From what has happened in the case so far, the Coalition has conceded that the SES graders did not know the race or gender of the students. The case is going forward on the claim that the 1.5% rule and getting rid of the math test were done to intentionally ensure fewer Asians are admitted and that other races are admitted instead.
Of course this has no merit and we'll get laughed out of court hopefully they'll be stuck with the huge bill for their legal costs.
No merit as to what? As in the changes were not designed to reduce the number of Asians? Or the changes were done to reduce the number of Asians but was done in a lawful way? Or something else?
Anonymous
09/25/2021 07:26
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
From what has happened in the case so far, the Coalition has conceded that the SES graders did not know the race or gender of the students. The case is going forward on the claim that the 1.5% rule and getting rid of the math test were done to intentionally ensure fewer Asians are admitted and that other races are admitted instead.
Of course this has no merit and we'll get laughed out of court hopefully they'll be stuck with the huge bill for their legal costs.
Anonymous
09/25/2021 00:28
Subject: TJ admissions - Student Portrait Sheet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My understanding is that the SPS is written as part of the timed, monitored administration along with the problem-solving essay. While the specifics of the problem-solving essay can't be known in advance, the specifics of the SPS obviously can. It would make sense to plan in advance what one plans to include in the SPS. What I can't seem to find, though, is whether an outline is permitted to be brought to the testing site or whether it must be done entirely from memory. Any insight into the process would be appreciated.
Thanks!
The SPS is graded using a propriety method, the Random Acceptance Criteria Evaluation (RACE), the specifics of which cannot be shared with the public.
Troll
It’s not trolling if it’s true. The admissions process uses a ‘proprietary process’ for grading the SIS and essay they will not share with the public.
The fact that they don't share the process..... which by the way, is the case for literally every major academic institution in America.... doesn't mean that you aren't a bitter troll who is making up garbage.
The lawsuit will give insight into that process. FCPS says its race-blind. We will know for certain in a few months.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that you won't.
If there were a means to compel public institutions to reveal their proprietary admissions processes, you'd see them publicly posted with regard to literally hundreds of universities.
The lawsuit is going to evaluate the question of whether or not FCPS can use geographic representation quotas in their admissions processes. It's well established that they can, but the question will basically be "was Brabrand doing this entirely because of too many Asians".
The motion for injunctive relief was denied and the process for the Class of 2026 is going to go on as scheduled without interruption. Brabrand is resigning after this year and the next superintendent will have a clean slate from which to operate this legal process.
The Coalition for the Status Quo might very well win the case and get a judge to tell them that they're right - in which case, congratulations - but there will be no impact on the admissions process in future years until a new School Board is elected in November of 2023. The present School Board will just find another way to do the same thing if they're required to do so.
From what has happened in the case so far, the Coalition has conceded that the SES graders did not know the race or gender of the students. The case is going forward on the claim that the 1.5% rule and getting rid of the math test were done to intentionally ensure fewer Asians are admitted and that other races are admitted instead.