Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 22:01     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is just no way that all the secondary and tertiary UC schools are as good as their USNWR ranking. I have several colleagues from CA, and they just laugh. One colleague mentioned that UCSB used to be known as a stoner school.


They are nowhere near as good for undergraduate study as a number of schools they are in front of. It must have to do with the boost from Pell grants.

+1. It's downright silly.

Now that UCs are test blind and most others test optional, I suppose US News will remove scores from the formula completely for whichever year class of 2025's scores would have shown up in the calculation. With UC GPAs seeming very high, I'm sure they'll rise even further in the ranking.


The UC rankings are beginning to test the credulity of the rankings.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 22:00     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
So many ties! That four-way tie for 9th makes sense, but is also a little ridiculous. This supports the larger hypothesis that there are probably around 15 universities that are all “top 10 level”
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:52     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What message is USNWR trying to send with all the ties? Perhaps, that these rankings are not sufficiently precise to differentiate between many of these schools? If so, that’s probably true. Perhaps, it will get more students and parents to take these rankings as a guide rather than a definitive assessment.


No one uses these as a definitive assessment.


Some probably do, which is unfortunate. The whole USNWR ranking thing is unfortunate, I believe.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:50     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?


It really seems to be splitting hairs after the late teens.

That's a heavy Reach. UCLA is a better school than Tulane.


I didn't say how far down. But there are a number of schools there with not that much separating them.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:26     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There is just no way that all the secondary and tertiary UC schools are as good as their USNWR ranking. I have several colleagues from CA, and they just laugh. One colleague mentioned that UCSB used to be known as a stoner school.


They are nowhere near as good for undergraduate study as a number of schools they are in front of. It must have to do with the boost from Pell grants.

+1. It's downright silly.

Now that UCs are test blind and most others test optional, I suppose US News will remove scores from the formula completely for whichever year class of 2025's scores would have shown up in the calculation. With UC GPAs seeming very high, I'm sure they'll rise even further in the ranking.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:26     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:What message is USNWR trying to send with all the ties? Perhaps, that these rankings are not sufficiently precise to differentiate between many of these schools? If so, that’s probably true. Perhaps, it will get more students and parents to take these rankings as a guide rather than a definitive assessment.


No one uses these as a definitive assessment.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:25     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?


It really seems to be splitting hairs after the late teens.

That's a heavy Reach. UCLA is a better school than Tulane.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:23     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
What message is USNWR trying to send with all the ties? Perhaps, that these rankings are not sufficiently precise to differentiate between many of these schools? If so, that’s probably true. Perhaps, it will get more students and parents to take these rankings as a guide rather than a definitive assessment.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:22     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At the risk of agitating the UVA troll and being labeled a booster, I’ll highlight that UVA is once again a USNWR Top 25 school.


Yes, but did the one spot really ever make any difference? Or should it have?


It doesn’t make any difference unless you’re in a DCUM thread where UVA is mentioned as a Top 25 school and the UVA troll finds it necessary to point out that 26 isn’t 25.


Exactly, had happened more than once.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:18     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?


It really seems to be splitting hairs after the late teens.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:16     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Not officially. But if you check the web site they’ve already updated the ranking tables.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:16     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 2022 rankings aren’t released until tomorrow.


Just look at their website.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:13     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
I thought the 2022 rankings aren’t released until tomorrow.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:12     Subject: 2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities

1. Princeton University
2. Columbia University
2. Harvard University
2. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
5. Yale University
6. Stanford University
6. University of Chicago
8. University of Pennsylvania
9. California Institute of Technology
9. Duke University
9. Johns Hopkins University
9. Northwestern University
13. Dartmouth College
14. Brown University
14. Vanderbilt University
14. Washington University in St. Louis
17. Cornell University
17. Rice University
19. University of Notre Dame
20. University of California, Los Angeles
21. Emory University
22. University of California, Berkeley
23. Georgetown University
23. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
25. Carnegie Mellon University
25. University of Virginia
27. University of Southern California
28. New York University
28. Tufts University
28. University of California, Santa Barbara
28. University of Florida
28. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill
28. Wake Forest University


My thoughts: Columbia is not really at the same level as Harvard and MIT. Chicago is not at the same level as Stanford, which always appears underrated in USNWR. Hopkins is not at the level of Caltech and Duke. Why does UCLA continue to be above Berkeley? What does UCLA do better than Berkeley? The schools tied at 28 don't really seem any better than schools down around 40 or so. What would make UCSB better than UCSD or Texas or a number of other schools?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2021 21:10     Subject: Re:2022 US News Best National Universities
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:At the risk of agitating the UVA troll and being labeled a booster, I’ll highlight that UVA is once again a USNWR Top 25 school.


Yes, but did the one spot really ever make any difference? Or should it have?


It doesn’t make any difference unless you’re in a DCUM thread where UVA is mentioned as a Top 25 school and the UVA troll finds it necessary to point out that 26 isn’t 25.