Anonymous wrote:I'm really looking forward to this thread surpassing the "Peabody to Watkins" one. Has anything new been said (really) in the last 50 pages?

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy already has some honors classes but perhaps what they need to attract significantly more IB students is to create a separate, full-fledged honors program, a dedicated academy within the school. Make it entirely merit-based, test-in, supplemented by transcripts and teacher recommendation and take only the top applicants. Provide extra enrichment, dedicated faculty and advisors for the honors program. Have the honors program start at sixth grade with an additional on-ramp admission opportunity at the beginning of seventh for other high-performing students. Once the honors program is up and running at Hardy, many IB parents would be flocking to get their kids in to a relatively small, elite academic program. And junk the Hardy uniforms.... at a minimum get rid of them for the honors program.

That's the most stupid idea of the day.

Pedagogical studies show that more than 50% of middle school kids possess honors talents in one or more subjects, but not in all of them. Hardy's modular approach allows students who are honors in English (but no in Math, and viceversa) to be challenged at their level in those subjects where they show talent and commitment. With your suggestion, you would leave out of honors teaching 50% of students, including several IBs.

Hardy is a peaceful, inclusive school, which has found an incredible harmony and integration despite the huge SES disparities.

Ms Pride was appointed just two years ago (after a managerial void of 5 years). The IB families are coming and will come in increasing numbers.

So say the Hardy boosters but the evidence that the school is getting traction in its intended IB community is not there yet.

Anonymous wrote:Hardy already has some honors classes but perhaps what they need to attract significantly more IB students is to create a separate, full-fledged honors program, a dedicated academy within the school. Make it entirely merit-based, test-in, supplemented by transcripts and teacher recommendation and take only the top applicants. Provide extra enrichment, dedicated faculty and advisors for the honors program. Have the honors program start at sixth grade with an additional on-ramp admission opportunity at the beginning of seventh for other high-performing students. Once the honors program is up and running at Hardy, many IB parents would be flocking to get their kids in to a relatively small, elite academic program. And junk the Hardy uniforms.... at a minimum get rid of them for the honors program.

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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

That mames sense. I've also noticed that the British School parks its school buses in the Jelleff lot. Presumably the British school pays DPR for its day time use rights and the parking privileges. As we all know, in the DC government money talks. If someone is woing to pay extra for use of a taxpayer supported facility, they will get priority. Because Hardy has no fields of its own to speak of, the admin needs to figure out how to get DPR to give its teams use rights once the Maret and British school agreements expire. This will probably require getting the mayors office involved so that DPR listens. But for now, the situation for Hardy is still unfavorable.

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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

Untrue. You can often see the school football team crossing Wisconsin to the Jelleff fields.

What time of day? I'm down there all the time and I've never seen them on Jelleff. On the Ellington Field, yes.

So you are down all the time at Jelleff and down all the time at Ellington Field. Mah..

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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

Untrue. You can often see the school football team crossing Wisconsin to the Jelleff fields.

What time of day? I'm down there all the time and I've never seen them on Jelleff. On the Ellington Field, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy's limits to the use of the Jelleff field are less stringent than those applied by private schools.

Even at the most expensive and fancy private schools, sports facilities are available to students during restricted hours. Since maintenance costs are high (and many schools are operated on a for profit basis) ALL private schools lease out to private users and teams their fields and facilities, including during school hours.

For instance, the Field School, St Albans/National Cathedral, Burke etc lease their school swimming pool to private swim teams (see NCAP website under training hours and facilities), or for individual club members on a fee basis. For a fee of about $120/month , you can have access to the St Alban pool or Field School pool, everyday at set times. Of course pool is off-limits to students during those hours.

The limits of Hardy's access to Jelleff is a false argument, given that it only applies to 2 hours/day and 6 months/year, and that the fields are for Hardy students during all school hours, everyday.

Moreover, students at all schools, even the most expensive ones, do not have 100% availability of theirs sport fields and facilities, as these are leased out for several hours a day to private users, to make up for mainteinance costs and profits.

Burke doesn't have a swimming pool. The Burke listed there is not the private school, it is Burke Racket and Swim in Burke, VA. Neither St. Albans nor Field is listed on the NCAP website. Burke (the school), Field and St. Albans all have zoning orders limiting their ability to rent to outside groups, it's on the DC Office of Zoning website.

If Hardy chooses not to use the Jelleff field -- and they don't -- why does it matter what their reason is? As a practical matter the students don't get to use the field.

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Anonymous wrote:
I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

Untrue. You can often see the school football team crossing Wisconsin to the Jelleff fields.

Anonymous wrote:Hardy's limits to the use of the Jelleff field are less stringent than those applied by private schools.

Even at the most expensive and fancy private schools, sports facilities are available to students during restricted hours. Since maintenance costs are high (and many schools are operated on a for profit basis) ALL private schools lease out to private users and teams their fields and facilities, including during school hours.

For instance, the Field School, St Albans/National Cathedral, Burke etc lease their school swimming pool to private swim teams (see NCAP website under training hours and facilities), or for individual club members on a fee basis. For a fee of about $120/month , you can have access to the St Alban pool or Field School pool, everyday at set times. Of course pool is off-limits to students during those hours.

The limits of Hardy's access to Jelleff is a false argument, given that it only applies to 2 hours/day and 6 months/year, and that the fields are for Hardy students during all school hours, everyday.

Moreover, students at all schools, even the most expensive ones, do not have 100% availability of theirs sport fields and facilities, as these are leased out for several hours a day to private users, to make up for mainteinance costs and profits.

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Anonymous wrote:Principal Pride regularly talks about the feeder numbers & they've been posted in this thread already - 18 students from Hyde, 13 from Stoddert, 6 from Mann, 5 from Key, 1 from Eaton. 43 out of the 130 kids (33%). It's likely of course a portion of these kids are OOB. So, as an exercise - if 30% of the 43 are OOB, that would mean 30 kids IB (23%) - or if 40 percent are OOB, that would mean 25 kids IB (19%). Of course, those watching intently could ask why not just give the IB numbers, but for many pretty obvious reasons they are focusing on the feeders cohorts - which is important to many parents making decisions about where to send their kids (are they going to be with other kids with similar academic experience and are friends).

Of the other children - 10 kids were from Thompson, 10 from Brent. (ie. growing numbers of kids coming from schools with improving test scores).

Of note for watching trends: Stoddert has added a full additional 5th grade class (& more families choosing to remain in Glover Park) - and as a cohort represent a higher chance of more IB kids going to Hardy - as one 'bellweather'.

DCPS official count days at schools aren't until Nov/Dec often - so the actual lag in the process of reporting IB students isn't actually taking that long.

The problem with those numbers is there is no basis for comparison. They were never released in previous years, so there's no way of knowing if these numbers are better, worse or unchanged.

The only number that has been consistently released is the overall IB percentage of the school, and that's the one number that Hardy seems reluctant to produce.

Count day was in early October. Enrollment records are computerized. I'm sure DCPS has the numbers, they just aren't ready to release them yet.