Anonymous wrote:So, I saw a press release that implied the courts are letting the redistricting happen...but is that the absolute final word on things?

There was a lower court that ruled today. That was not the case before VA Supremes.

It's confusing to follow this.

So, I saw a press release that implied the courts are letting the redistricting happen...but is that the absolute final word on things?

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

The General Assembly was not authorized to introduce the amendment during a special session that was limited to budgetary matters.

DP. You're not doing this nonsense proper justice. That special session was called in May of 2024 and they resolved the budget issue in 2 days. The Dems refused to gavel out to close it so it was technically left open for almost 18 months. In October 2025, a week before election day, the Dems used that special session to pass the resolution for the gerrymandering, and then passed it a few days later. Meanwhile, early voting had been happening for over a month, with an estimated 1 million votes cast.

The procedural violations were a double whammy - improperly using the special session (that hadn't been touched in a year and a half) and ignoring the intervening election rule (since voting already began). They took a process that was supposed to take 2 years not about ten weeks.

It doesn't really matter. It's a procedural violation no matter how convoluted. I have no idea how the courts will approach this. They usually don't dare about procedure as long as the individuals had the authority.

"...improperly using the special session (that hadn't been touched in a year and a half)..."

OK, but does this violate the law or the VA constitution? If it's just violating a norm of the VA legislature to quickly gavel out of a special session, then the courts are not touching this. Courts generally never weigh in on procedural rules of the legislature absent something specific in law or constitution that was violated.

"...ignoring the intervening election rule (since voting already began)..."

Early voting had already begun when the VA Senate approved the notice on October 31, 2025. However, that was still prior to Election Day. The Virginia constitution stipulates that successful amendment in the first legislative sessions must be "...referred to the General Assembly at its first regular session held after the next general election of members of the House of Delegates." The general election does not happen until Election Day. So it was passed prior to the "general election of members of the House of Delegates." Please don't tell me you call yourself "an Originalist" if you're inferring that Article XII of the VA Constitution (which was written in 1971) was somehow silently stating that early voting (which became law in VA in 2020) reflected the "next general election of members of the House of Delegates."

Elephants do not hide in mouseholes.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

The General Assembly was not authorized to introduce the amendment during a special session that was limited to budgetary matters.

DP. You're not doing this nonsense proper justice. That special session was called in May of 2024 and they resolved the budget issue in 2 days. The Dems refused to gavel out to close it so it was technically left open for almost 18 months. In October 2025, a week before election day, the Dems used that special session to pass the resolution for the gerrymandering, and then passed it a few days later. Meanwhile, early voting had been happening for over a month, with an estimated 1 million votes cast.

The procedural violations were a double whammy - improperly using the special session (that hadn't been touched in a year and a half) and ignoring the intervening election rule (since voting already began). They took a process that was supposed to take 2 years not about ten weeks.

It doesn't really matter. It's a procedural violation no matter how convoluted. I have no idea how the courts will approach this. They usually don't dare about procedure as long as the individuals had the authority.

I don't know how they'll rule either. The thing is these particular rules that were violated are there specifically to slow things down and give voters a chance to not only understand what's happening, but also weigh in during the intervening election. Instead it was rammed through in record time.

PUT A CORK IN THIS NOW.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

The General Assembly was not authorized to introduce the amendment during a special session that was limited to budgetary matters.

DP. You're not doing this nonsense proper justice. That special session was called in May of 2024 and they resolved the budget issue in 2 days. The Dems refused to gavel out to close it so it was technically left open for almost 18 months. In October 2025, a week before election day, the Dems used that special session to pass the resolution for the gerrymandering, and then passed it a few days later. Meanwhile, early voting had been happening for over a month, with an estimated 1 million votes cast.

The procedural violations were a double whammy - improperly using the special session (that hadn't been touched in a year and a half) and ignoring the intervening election rule (since voting already began). They took a process that was supposed to take 2 years not about ten weeks.

It doesn't really matter. It's a procedural violation no matter how convoluted. I have no idea how the courts will approach this. They usually don't dare about procedure as long as the individuals had the authority.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

Yes totally illegal they didn't even try to make it look reasonable it was either a way to draw attention to unfair maps or to actually try to push through removing the votes of their political opponents.

The law indicates that the election was illegal.

Apparently yours is not a universally held legal sentiment

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5850643-virginia-congressional-map-ruling/

DP. It appears that this court found that gerrymandering is fine, even if democratically unfair. It didn't comment on the procedural aspect.

This is not the case before the VA Supreme Court today.

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

The General Assembly was not authorized to introduce the amendment during a special session that was limited to budgetary matters.

DP. You're not doing this nonsense proper justice. That special session was called in May of 2024 and they resolved the budget issue in 2 days. The Dems refused to gavel out to close it so it was technically left open for almost 18 months. In October 2025, a week before election day, the Dems used that special session to pass the resolution for the gerrymandering, and then passed it a few days later. Meanwhile, early voting had been happening for over a month, with an estimated 1 million votes cast.

The procedural violations were a double whammy - improperly using the special session (that hadn't been touched in a year and a half) and ignoring the intervening election rule (since voting already began). They took a process that was supposed to take 2 years not about ten weeks.

Anonymous wrote:The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

The General Assembly was not authorized to introduce the amendment during a special session that was limited to budgetary matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

Yes totally illegal they didn't even try to make it look reasonable it was either a way to draw attention to unfair maps or to actually try to push through removing the votes of their political opponents.

What is illegal about that? MAGA SCOTUS says it’s fine.

The only way to overturn the vote is if there was some sort of procedural violation by the Democrats in the amendment to the Virginia constitution.

Last year, the Supreme Court held that partisan gerrymandering is not a violation of the US Constitution.

Last Tuesday, the voters approved amending Virginia's constitution to allow a mid-decade reapportionment.

Can someone find me a procedural violation? Or violations of the Virginia or US constitutions? The voters literally just amended the VA Constitution to allow this to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

And yet, MAGA demands fealty to Trump, who didn’t even win 50%.

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Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

Yes totally illegal they didn't even try to make it look reasonable it was either a way to draw attention to unfair maps or to actually try to push through removing the votes of their political opponents.

The law indicates that the election was illegal.

Apparently yours is not a universally held legal sentiment

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5850643-virginia-congressional-map-ruling/

DP. It appears that this court found that gerrymandering is fine, even if democratically unfair. It didn't comment on the procedural aspect.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

Yes totally illegal they didn't even try to make it look reasonable it was either a way to draw attention to unfair maps or to actually try to push through removing the votes of their political opponents.

The law indicates that the election was illegal.

Apparently yours is not a universally held legal sentiment

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5850643-virginia-congressional-map-ruling/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Listening to Va SC now. It sounds like arguments to go against Referendum vote is stronger on the law.

Going against the expressly stated will of the people is dangerous business. I’d argue it needs to be stronger than 51% if this court wants to retain any shred of its credibility.

Yes totally illegal they didn't even try to make it look reasonable it was either a way to draw attention to unfair maps or to actually try to push through removing the votes of their political opponents.

The law indicates that the election was illegal.