Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:51
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Choosing to bring life into the world, or not, is a fundamental right. Prove to me it’s not.
God says it's not
God actually provides direction and specific instructions for an abortion. See Numbers 5: 11-31
There is no god. I don’t care what 5 people thousands of years ago cobbled together. They have zero right to make any decisions in my life.
Lots of people make decisions in your life. You can’t drive as fast as you’d like, you can’t smoke where you’d like, you can’t buy booze when you’d like, you can’t mistreat your kids any way you like.
None of that is dictated by religion.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:51
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
How can we get rid of the electoral college? That is a big part of the problem.
Also, I am sick of the "pro life" pundits on TV who keep saying "the decision is being returned to the people."
NO, it was with the people, when individuals could decide if they needed an abortion. Now it is being returned to extremist state legislators who are mostly white men who were elected because of gerrymandering.
Also, I am sick of the "pro life" pundits on TV who keep saying "the decision is being returned to the people."
NO, it was with the people, when individuals could decide if they needed an abortion. Now it is being returned to extremist state legislators who are mostly white men who were elected because of gerrymandering.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:49
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is going to make miscarriage illegal as well because oftentimes the same medications are used to help a woman through a miscarriage as they do through an abortion.
Doctors aren't going to risk doing a damn thing and women will suffer
Just stop.
The draft opinion stated
“To ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” he wrote. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Miscarriage is an act of nature. It is not an abortion.
In medical terms it is an abortion. Are you unfamiliar with the technical definition of abortion?
At any rate, prove that a miscarriage wasn’t self-induced. That is what Republicans will start asking. Just as conservatives in countries that ban abortion have done. And if a pregnancy is failing but the heart activity is still detected, doctors will risk sepsis instead of terminating. As has already happened.
This. Any medical intervention during a miscarriage is labeled as an assisted abortion. You can tell that many people who have an opinion about this actually don't have the facts
They write like 20 year old boys. They probably are.
Nope. Older woman here who has actually had a miscarriage.
When speaking of "abortion rights," a miscarriage and abortion are very different things. While a miscarriage is medically referred to as a "spontaneous abortion," there is no "choice" in a miscarriage. It is an act of nature.
Abortion, on the other hand, is very much about choice.
Abortion refers to the termination of a pregnancy, which may happen naturally or with medical intervention. A miscarriage is known as a Abortion refers to the termination of a pregnancy, which may happen naturally or with medical intervention. A miscarriage is known as a "spontaneous abortion."
Abortion is a term that refers to the termination of a pregnancy. This can occur with medical intervention such as medications or surgical procedures or it can occur on its own.
A miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion, and refers to a pregnancy loss before the 20th week of gestation or the expulsion an embryo or fetus weighing 500 g or less. Miscarriage at this stage occurs in about 31% of pregnancies.
https://www.emedicinehealth.com/what_are_abortion_and_miscarriage/article_em.htm
Did you require medical assistance to complete your miscarriage? Because that assistance is what some of us are saying could be put in jeopardy here.
+1
Did the PP actually have a D&C for her miscarriage? I’m guessing not since she’s not familiar with the terminology.
It is considered an abortion. That’s how it is referenced for scheduling and insurance.
Mechanically, they may be the same procedure but they are being done for different reasons.
In one, the child is already dead (or not viable, say partially formed). In the other, the pregnancy would continue if the procedure was not initiated. Having necrotic tissue sitting there is not safe at all.
Do you know much about late term abortions and why they happen? Because “partially formed” is usually part of the analysis. And its clearly ok to criminalize it under this opinion.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:48
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is going to make miscarriage illegal as well because oftentimes the same medications are used to help a woman through a miscarriage as they do through an abortion.
Doctors aren't going to risk doing a damn thing and women will suffer
Just stop.
The draft opinion stated
“To ensure that our decision is not misunderstood or mischaracterized, we emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” he wrote. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Miscarriage is an act of nature. It is not an abortion.
In medical terms it is an abortion. Are you unfamiliar with the technical definition of abortion?
At any rate, prove that a miscarriage wasn’t self-induced. That is what Republicans will start asking. Just as conservatives in countries that ban abortion have done. And if a pregnancy is failing but the heart activity is still detected, doctors will risk sepsis instead of terminating. As has already happened.
This. Any medical intervention during a miscarriage is labeled as an assisted abortion. You can tell that many people who have an opinion about this actually don't have the facts
They write like 20 year old boys. They probably are.
Nope. Older woman here who has actually had a miscarriage.
When speaking of "abortion rights," a miscarriage and abortion are very different things. While a miscarriage is medically referred to as a "spontaneous abortion," there is no "choice" in a miscarriage. It is an act of nature.
Abortion, on the other hand, is very much about choice.
Abortion refers to the termination of a pregnancy, which may happen naturally or with medical intervention. A miscarriage is known as a Abortion refers to the termination of a pregnancy, which may happen naturally or with medical intervention. A miscarriage is known as a "spontaneous abortion."
Abortion is a term that refers to the termination of a pregnancy. This can occur with medical intervention such as medications or surgical procedures or it can occur on its own.
A miscarriage is called a spontaneous abortion, and refers to a pregnancy loss before the 20th week of gestation or the expulsion an embryo or fetus weighing 500 g or less. Miscarriage at this stage occurs in about 31% of pregnancies.
https://www.emedicinehealth.com/what_are_abortion_and_miscarriage/article_em.htm
Did you require medical assistance to complete your miscarriage? Because that assistance is what some of us are saying could be put in jeopardy here.
+1
Did the PP actually have a D&C for her miscarriage? I’m guessing not since she’s not familiar with the terminology.
It is considered an abortion. That’s how it is referenced for scheduling and insurance.
Mechanically, they may be the same procedure but they are being done for different reasons.
In one, the child is already dead (or not viable, say partially formed). In the other, the pregnancy would continue if the procedure was not initiated. Having necrotic tissue sitting there is not safe at all.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:46
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
This is why we need to switch to popular vote
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:46
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:The next topic better be mandated federal health care. That's affordable and mental health care in addition to affordable child care and a living wage
No next topic. This is the topic. This is everything. This opinion would have more ramifications than most people realize.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:43
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Are Supreme Court judges given protection? I wouldn't want to be Kavanaugh or Alioto eating in a restaurant.
People around here are pretty polite. But honestly I would spit in their general direction if I saw them.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:42
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Choosing to bring life into the world, or not, is a fundamental right. Prove to me it’s not.
God says it's not
God actually provides direction and specific instructions for an abortion. See Numbers 5: 11-31
There is no god. I don’t care what 5 people thousands of years ago cobbled together. They have zero right to make any decisions in my life.
Lots of people make decisions in your life. You can’t drive as fast as you’d like, you can’t smoke where you’d like, you can’t buy booze when you’d like, you can’t mistreat your kids any way you like.
Sure, but telling me I can’t access medical care that reduces my risk of death, isn’t those things.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:41
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Choosing to bring life into the world, or not, is a fundamental right. Prove to me it’s not.
God says it's not
God actually provides direction and specific instructions for an abortion. See Numbers 5: 11-31
There is no god. I don’t care what 5 people thousands of years ago cobbled together. They have zero right to make any decisions in my life.
Lots of people make decisions in your life. You can’t drive as fast as you’d like, you can’t smoke where you’d like, you can’t buy booze when you’d like, you can’t mistreat your kids any way you like.
Anonymous
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:39
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Are Supreme Court judges given protection? I wouldn't want to be Kavanaugh or Alioto eating in a restaurant.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:39
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:The next topic better be mandated federal health care. That's affordable and mental health care in addition to affordable child care and a living wage
That’s a nice thought, but we all know Republicans don’t give a shit what happens to kids after they’re born.
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:37
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
The next topic better be mandated federal health care. That's affordable and mental health care in addition to affordable child care and a living wage
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:36
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Amazon’s offering up to $4k in travel expenses to help women cover the expense of having to go to a different state for medical care.
Oh wow that’s interesting. If a state tries to prosecute them for it I’m hear for that case.
That would be fascinating!
Anonymous
05/04/2022 09:36
Subject: “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Choosing to bring life into the world, or not, is a fundamental right. Prove to me it’s not.
God says it's not
God actually provides direction and specific instructions for an abortion. See Numbers 5: 11-31
There is no god. I don’t care what 5 people thousands of years ago cobbled together. They have zero right to make any decisions in my life.