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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No the pineapple is definitely a thing. Patsy didn't give it to her. And even said if she had she never would have in that tiny bowl and big spoon, that was weird to her. They checked and her bowels had been evacuated of all food she had eaten at the party and only the pineapple was in her intestine and digested to the point it could have been eaten after arriving home late. In the interviews with the child psychologist Burke talks all about his favorite things to eat including pineapple. When he is shown a pic of the bowl of pineapple at the crime scene and asked what it is, he totally freezes, starts nervously clawing his arm and says. "It's........ Oh. ..... A bowl of..... Something.... It's a cup with a tea bag." Literally 3 minutes after he said he and JB loved pineapple he can't even say the word pineapple when shown a bowl of it. It's weird and it sticks out to people for that reason.

Patsy SAID she didn't give it to her, you mean. Just because pineapple was Burke's favorite food doesn't mean he would feed it to her sister. Wasn't it a favorite of JB's, as well?

Burke is known to be a socially awkward kid, so why is it surprising when he responds to something awkwardly?

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Anonymous wrote:What I meant was, *in this case* it seems less likely that a family member did it than an intruder, since there is no evidence of mental illness or bizarre or violent behavior from either of the parents before this incident.

That is still wrong because there was evidence of emotional issues because the brother was saving his poop and rolling it into grapefruit sized balls he was leaving in JonBenets bed and putting on her candy. Burke had also clobbered JonBenet with a golf club before. It is still less likely an intruder did it than anyone in this family.

I believe that in the interview for tmz, Lin Wood said that is false info. On the Dr. Phil Show, Burke said the golf club hit was accidental. JB came up behind him and he didn't see her when he was swinging the club.

Besides, he was 9. An age where he wasn't even able to be criminally charged. Why wouldn't the Ramseys just think they could pay for lawyers and therapists? Why go through all the trouble of staging a heinous crime scene and take any risk of being charged. They had so much to lose, and very little to gain by that.

It is not totally out of the realm of possiblity that they did this. People can do strange things. But I'm skeptical. What was shown on the Dr. Phil Show seemed much more credible to me than the CBS show. That's just my opinion; you don't have to agree.

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

she did not eat it before the party, because in her intestine they found stuff that was determined to be the crab from the party. So the pineapple definitely went in after the crab at the party.

Anonymous wrote:What I meant was, *in this case* it seems less likely that a family member did it than an intruder, since there is no evidence of mental illness or bizarre or violent behavior from either of the parents before this incident.

That is still wrong because there was evidence of emotional issues because the brother was saving his poop and rolling it into grapefruit sized balls he was leaving in JonBenets bed and putting on her candy. Burke had also clobbered JonBenet with a golf club before. It is still less likely an intruder did it than anyone in this family.

What I meant was, *in this case* it seems less likely that a family member did it than an intruder, since there is no evidence of mental illness or bizarre or violent behavior from either of the parents before this incident.

Anonymous wrote:It's not an uncommon thing for an intruder or intruders to break into people's homes, and harm an occupant. It happens far more often than psycho parents who kill their own children using exotic means. We've even heard of cases where intruders got into an attic and lived in the house for an extended time. The probablity that a family member did this seems statitically smaller to me than an outside intruder. There were many possible entry points and times for an intruder to slip in. It could've even happened during the open house. It's too bad the BPD was so sloppy and allowed the crime scene to get contaminated. Sloppy techniques -- sloppy theories?

The Ramseys had everything going for them. They were naive about home security and overly trusting of people around them. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of mental illness or previous bizarre behavior from the parents. It seems quite a leap to think they'd concoct what happened, when they had plenty of money for therapists and lawyers to get Burke off the hook, especially at age 9. It seems farfetched to me to think that the family did this.

This is 100% false and statistics will back me up on that. You are far, FAR more likely to be injured/killed by someone you know, particularly in your own family, than an intruder. There is also pretty much no case of an intruder ever coming into a home, sneaking around for hours looking at bank statements, making pineapple snacks, and torturing and murdering a 6 year old in the basement before writing a 3 page ransom letter (10x the length of an average ransom note) that demands the family turn over money for a child who is already dead in the basement and the threats within (you will get a call at 10 am) never materialize. It literally does not happen like that.

Anonymous wrote:The CBS show was an outline. If they had dug deeper, you would actually be more convinced, I think.

It seemed to they were primarily focused on poking holes in the intruder theory that's taken shape over the year: the stun gun, the entry point through the window, the touch DNA evidence.

The CBS show was also originally supposed to be 6 hours and was cut down. I think they also had to be very leery of flat out saying BURKE DID IT so they gave JUST enough information to point in that direction while also holding back the more damning evidence/accusations. Now, if Burke and Wood really DO sue CBS, that can alllll come out, which is why I think Wood is ultimately bluffing and nothing will happen of it.

It's not an uncommon thing for an intruder or intruders to break into people's homes, and harm an occupant. It happens far more often than psycho parents who kill their own children using exotic means. We've even heard of cases where intruders got into an attic and lived in the house for an extended time. The probablity that a family member did this seems statitically smaller to me than an outside intruder. There were many possible entry points and times for an intruder to slip in. It could've even happened during the open house. It's too bad the BPD was so sloppy and allowed the crime scene to get contaminated. Sloppy techniques -- sloppy theories?

The Ramseys had everything going for them. They were naive about home security and overly trusting of people around them. There doesn't seem to be any evidence of mental illness or previous bizarre behavior from the parents. It seems quite a leap to think they'd concoct what happened, when they had plenty of money for therapists and lawyers to get Burke off the hook, especially at age 9. It seems farfetched to me to think that the family did this.

The CBS show was an outline. If they had dug deeper, you would actually be more convinced, I think.

It seemed to they were primarily focused on poking holes in the intruder theory that's taken shape over the year: the stun gun, the entry point through the window, the touch DNA evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No, I think the pineapple is everything. It's the one thing the parents didn't know happened and can't explain away with their intruder theory.

I mean seriously. At first JR said he gave his keys to a few people. Then he started telling investigators he gave his house keys to everyone. He did the same with suspects--named anyone and everyone. He also brought up a mysterious van many months after the murder. If you watch their police interviews, they claim that anything collected from their house with Patsy's writing isn't hers--they don't know whose writing it could be. (I heard they use those videos at the FBI to show new agents what lying looks like.) There is only one reason the cops focused so intently on the Ramseys: it was obvious to them because of all the lies they were telling.

The trouble I have with the CBS show was that it felt like a magician doing a magic trick -- you only see what they wanted you to see, and you don't realize there is more being left out. They didn't show us the photo they showed to Burke. You saw how cluttered the kitchen counter was. There could have been any number of things to look at in that photo and it seemed to me that Burke was trying hard to figure out just what it was the investigator wanted him to look at. Did these experts also look at his school records which would likely document behavioral problems? They didn't say. I find it hard to believe they could tell all they did about from just from what was shown -- they didn't see the photo of that Burke was shown either. It's also a known fact that the BPD put out false information.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No, I think the pineapple is everything. It's the one thing the parents didn't know happened and can't explain away with their intruder theory.

I mean seriously. At first JR said he gave his keys to a few people. Then he started telling investigators he gave his house keys to everyone. He did the same with suspects--named anyone and everyone. He also brought up a mysterious van many months after the murder. If you watch their police interviews, they claim that anything collected from their house with Patsy's writing isn't hers--they don't know whose writing it could be. (I heard they use those videos at the FBI to show new agents what lying looks like.) There is only one reason the cops focused so intently on the Ramseys: it was obvious to them because of all the lies they were telling.

Yeah in the CBS doc a former friend of Patsy's said she knew the mayor and Patsy asked her if she would put in a request with the mayor for protection for the Ramseys. The mayor scoffed and said "There is no need for them to have any protection."

I fully believe it was Burke and it was accidental but the Ramseys FLIPPED and rather than call police/ambulance and try to revive JB or just come clean, they panicked and covered it up. They very clearly were invested in maintaining the picture perfect family persona and admitting that one child had severe mental disturbances to the point that he accidentally killed a sibling would not only make the child look bad and possibly ruin his life, it would theirs as well. I think they were partly motivated by protecting Burke but mostly motivated by protecting the family image. They just couldn't be the kind of people who had a kid so messed up he would accidentally kill another one. Way too much would have come to light about Burke and his issues and how the Ramseys had (or had not) handled them.
I don't see the Ramsey parents doing it, and it's obvious it wasn't an intruder.

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No, I think the pineapple is everything. It's the one thing the parents didn't know happened and can't explain away with their intruder theory.

I mean seriously. At first JR said he gave his keys to a few people. Then he started telling investigators he gave his house keys to everyone. He did the same with suspects--named anyone and everyone. He also brought up a mysterious van many months after the murder. If you watch their police interviews, they claim that anything collected from their house with Patsy's writing isn't hers--they don't know whose writing it could be. (I heard they use those videos at the FBI to show new agents what lying looks like.) There is only one reason the cops focused so intently on the Ramseys: it was obvious to them because of all the lies they were telling.

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Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

I agree. She could've even had some at the party. Has anyone said what kind of food was served there? The lab result on the CBS show said the stomach contents were thought to resemble pineapple, but didn't say that it tested and was conclusively pineapple. I think it could've also been something else, from what I remember from the last time someone threw up in my house.

The Whites said pineapple was not served at their party

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

No the pineapple is definitely a thing. Patsy didn't give it to her. And even said if she had she never would have in that tiny bowl and big spoon, that was weird to her. They checked and her bowels had been evacuated of all food she had eaten at the party and only the pineapple was in her intestine and digested to the point it could have been eaten after arriving home late. In the interviews with the child psychologist Burke talks all about his favorite things to eat including pineapple. When he is shown a pic of the bowl of pineapple at the crime scene and asked what it is, he totally freezes, starts nervously clawing his arm and says. "It's........ Oh. ..... A bowl of..... Something.... It's a cup with a tea bag." Literally 3 minutes after he said he and JB loved pineapple he can't even say the word pineapple when shown a bowl of it. It's weird and it sticks out to people for that reason.

Anonymous wrote:Is anyone else sick of the pineapple thing? I really don't think it has anything to do with the murder. I think she was put to bed, woke up, got some pineapple, went back to bed. Or she ate it before the party.

I agree. She could've even had some at the party. Has anyone said what kind of food was served there? The lab result on the CBS show said the stomach contents were thought to resemble pineapple, but didn't say that it tested and was conclusively pineapple. I think it could've also been something else, from what I remember from the last time someone threw up in my house.