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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

Untrue. You can often see the school football team crossing Wisconsin to the Jelleff fields.

Hardy's limits to the use of the Jelleff field are less stringent than those applied by private schools.

Even at the most expensive and fancy private schools, sports facilities are available to students during restricted hours. Since maintenance costs are high (and many schools are operated on a for profit basis) ALL private schools lease out to private users and teams their fields and facilities, including during school hours.

For instance, the Field School, St Albans/National Cathedral, Burke etc lease their school swimming pool to private swim teams (see NCAP website under training hours and facilities), or for individual club members on a fee basis. For a fee of about $120/month , you can have access to the St Alban pool or Field School pool, everyday at set times. Of course pool is off-limits to students during those hours.

The limits of Hardy's access to Jelleff is a false argument, given that it only applies to 2 hours/day and 6 months/year, and that the fields are for Hardy students during all school hours, everyday.

Moreover, students at all schools, even the most expensive ones, do not have 100% availability of theirs sport fields and facilities, as these are leased out for several hours a day to private users, to make up for mainteinance costs and profits.

It IS weird that Hardy gets attacked on this board so often. Maybe because there's an absence of negative stuff to report about it, so they make bad stuff up. Bad news is always more exciting than good news, after all.

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Anonymous wrote:So the city is going to build a small school just to cater to IB families who don't want to go to school with OOB families? That is a crazy idea!

We proposed reducing enrollment at Hardy so that it could reach majority IB enrollment quickly, but that was a crazy idea as well.

The abbreviated version of this thread: Any proposal that results in a majority IB school for the families zoned for Hardy in the next few years is a crazy idea.

Here's a proposal that would work. IB families enroll in Hardy and then it will be a majority IB school. Oh my god, that's brilliant! And not crazy at all.

No it wont. Hardy = "Second tier MS school for anyone in the city whose IB school is failing and is willing to commute for a shot at a decent education."

The current enrollment of 375 is arbitrary. The building can probably accommodate twice that.. As the number of IB kids increases, the enrollment will increase as well so that OOB families have a shot at a decent school.

That's exactly what happened at Deal and Wilson. DCPS has shown much more willingness to expand and crowd than to limit OOB enrollment.

The Hardy facility can NOT accommodate a doubling of enrollment. The only athletic space today is a puny pony-league sized field next to the parking lot. Pathetic. Besides, if they increased the enrollment significantly, Hardy would lose its only real advantage which is its relatively small size.

If you look at other WOTP schools that have experienced crowding, the limitations of the facility are never a limit on enrollment. As long as they can make a classroom for everyone they keep packing them in. A PP was commenting that Deal only has half a year of PE because of lack of gym space. Did that keep them from adding trailers? Elementary schools add trailers all the time even when the existing facility is overwhelmed.

Anonymous wrote:Principal Pride regularly talks about the feeder numbers & they've been posted in this thread already - 18 students from Hyde, 13 from Stoddert, 6 from Mann, 5 from Key, 1 from Eaton. 43 out of the 130 kids (33%). It's likely of course a portion of these kids are OOB. So, as an exercise - if 30% of the 43 are OOB, that would mean 30 kids IB (23%) - or if 40 percent are OOB, that would mean 25 kids IB (19%). Of course, those watching intently could ask why not just give the IB numbers, but for many pretty obvious reasons they are focusing on the feeders cohorts - which is important to many parents making decisions about where to send their kids (are they going to be with other kids with similar academic experience and are friends).

Of the other children - 10 kids were from Thompson, 10 from Brent. (ie. growing numbers of kids coming from schools with improving test scores).

Of note for watching trends: Stoddert has added a full additional 5th grade class (& more families choosing to remain in Glover Park) - and as a cohort represent a higher chance of more IB kids going to Hardy - as one 'bellweather'.

DCPS official count days at schools aren't until Nov/Dec often - so the actual lag in the process of reporting IB students isn't actually taking that long.

The problem with those numbers is there is no basis for comparison. They were never released in previous years, so there's no way of knowing if these numbers are better, worse or unchanged.

The only number that has been consistently released is the overall IB percentage of the school, and that's the one number that Hardy seems reluctant to produce.

Count day was in early October. Enrollment records are computerized. I'm sure DCPS has the numbers, they just aren't ready to release them yet.

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I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Not the other PP, but as a practical matter it is true. During the times that sports teams would use it -- after school during the spring and fall -- it is off limits.

Theoretically, Hardy could use the field during the day for PE. But they have never applied to do that. Currently days it is used by the British School of Washington for their PE.

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Anonymous wrote:So the city is going to build a small school just to cater to IB families who don't want to go to school with OOB families? That is a crazy idea!

We proposed reducing enrollment at Hardy so that it could reach majority IB enrollment quickly, but that was a crazy idea as well.

The abbreviated version of this thread: Any proposal that results in a majority IB school for the families zoned for Hardy in the next few years is a crazy idea.

Here's a proposal that would work. IB families enroll in Hardy and then it will be a majority IB school. Oh my god, that's brilliant! And not crazy at all.

No it wont. Hardy = "Second tier MS school for anyone in the city whose IB school is failing and is willing to commute for a shot at a decent education."

The current enrollment of 375 is arbitrary. The building can probably accommodate twice that.. As the number of IB kids increases, the enrollment will increase as well so that OOB families have a shot at a decent school.

That's exactly what happened at Deal and Wilson. DCPS has shown much more willingness to expand and crowd than to limit OOB enrollment.

The Hardy facility can NOT accommodate a doubling of enrollment. The only athletic space today is a puny pony-league sized field next to the parking lot. Pathetic. Besides, if they increased the enrollment significantly, Hardy would lose its only real advantage which is its relatively small size.

Shut up! You have never visited the school obviously, misinformed troll!!

The truth is that at Hardy, 6th-7th-8th grades have 1 HOUR OF PE EACH AND EVERY DAY, while at Deal they have PE ONLY FOR ONE TERM, DUE TO OVERCROWDING .So what is really pathetic is to have a relatively larger outdoor space (due to the almost suburban nature of the Deal location , compared to the historical district setting of Hardy in Georgetown) and not to be able to use it!!!!....

The school has basketball, football, soccer, baseball, softball, cross country & running, tennis, volleyball and rowing teams among others. See http://www.hardyms.org/ath.jsp This year we established also ski team (they had the first trip just one week ago) as well as swimming team developmental. The huge indoor facilities (as all of those who have visited the school know), the Jelleff center and fields next door and the small enrollment number allow for space and time for daily practice, during school hours and after-school.

I call BS. It's frustrating because Jelleff is practically across the street from Hardy, but alas Jelleff is off limits for Hardy team use. Maret School paid a share of the Jelleff field renovations, and received an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours.

YOU ARE WRONG. Please stop posting if you do not have the information. The Agreement between Maret and DCPR specifies that Maret's rights on Jelleff are LIMITED to the following hours:

3:30 – 5:30 every weekday during the fall and spring (September through mid-November, and March through mid-May) .

Outside of these hours and periods of the year, i.e for the remaining 6 months, each team can access or reserve the Jelleff field through the DCPR reservation system, where Hardy has absolute priority and pays no fees. So basically ACCESS DURING SCHOOL HOURS TO THE JELLEFF FIELDS AND FACILITIES IS RESERVED TO HARDY'S TEAMS.

Correct information about the Maret-DCPR Agreement is for instance available here:

- http://georgetownmetropolitan.com/2010/01/21/city-turns-over-jelleff-fields-to-maret/ . With a detailed description of the agreement and hour limitations.

- or from Maret's website, here (under "Use of the Jelleff fields)

Let's hope that you didn't learn reading comprehension at Hardy, because what is stated above is Maret received "an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours -- in other words 3.30-5.30 every school day. Glad to hear that Hardy can try book the Jelleff field from December through February, though!

Yes, Maret has exclusive rights on Jelleff fields ONLY FOR TWO HOURS A DAY , and only for 6 months. Outside of these hours, and for the FULL SCHOOL HOURS (8:45- 3:30) Jelleff is for Hardy.

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Anonymous wrote:So the city is going to build a small school just to cater to IB families who don't want to go to school with OOB families? That is a crazy idea!

We proposed reducing enrollment at Hardy so that it could reach majority IB enrollment quickly, but that was a crazy idea as well.

The abbreviated version of this thread: Any proposal that results in a majority IB school for the families zoned for Hardy in the next few years is a crazy idea.

Here's a proposal that would work. IB families enroll in Hardy and then it will be a majority IB school. Oh my god, that's brilliant! And not crazy at all.

No it wont. Hardy = "Second tier MS school for anyone in the city whose IB school is failing and is willing to commute for a shot at a decent education."

The current enrollment of 375 is arbitrary. The building can probably accommodate twice that.. As the number of IB kids increases, the enrollment will increase as well so that OOB families have a shot at a decent school.

That's exactly what happened at Deal and Wilson. DCPS has shown much more willingness to expand and crowd than to limit OOB enrollment.

The Hardy facility can NOT accommodate a doubling of enrollment. The only athletic space today is a puny pony-league sized field next to the parking lot. Pathetic. Besides, if they increased the enrollment significantly, Hardy would lose its only real advantage which is its relatively small size.

Shut up! You have never visited the school obviously, misinformed troll!!

The truth is that at Hardy, 6th-7th-8th grades have 1 HOUR OF PE EACH AND EVERY DAY, while at Deal they have PE ONLY FOR ONE TERM, DUE TO OVERCROWDING .So what is really pathetic is to have a relatively larger outdoor space (due to the almost suburban nature of the Deal location , compared to the historical district setting of Hardy in Georgetown) and not to be able to use it!!!!....

The school has basketball, football, soccer, baseball, softball, cross country & running, tennis, volleyball and rowing teams among others. See http://www.hardyms.org/ath.jsp This year we established also ski team (they had the first trip just one week ago) as well as swimming team developmental. The huge indoor facilities (as all of those who have visited the school know), the Jelleff center and fields next door and the small enrollment number allow for space and time for daily practice, during school hours and after-school.

I call BS. It's frustrating because Jelleff is practically across the street from Hardy, but alas Jelleff is off limits for Hardy team use. Maret School paid a share of the Jelleff field renovations, and received an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours.

YOU ARE WRONG. Please stop posting if you do not have the information. The Agreement between Maret and DCPR specifies that Maret's rights on Jelleff are LIMITED to the following hours:

3:30 – 5:30 every weekday during the fall and spring (September through mid-November, and March through mid-May) .

Outside of these hours and periods of the year, i.e for the remaining 6 months, each team can access or reserve the Jelleff field through the DCPR reservation system, where Hardy has absolute priority and pays no fees. So basically ACCESS DURING SCHOOL HOURS TO THE JELLEFF FIELDS AND FACILITIES IS RESERVED TO HARDY'S TEAMS.

Correct information about the Maret-DCPR Agreement is for instance available here:

- http://georgetownmetropolitan.com/2010/01/21/city-turns-over-jelleff-fields-to-maret/ . With a detailed description of the agreement and hour limitations.

- or from Maret's website, here (under "Use of the Jelleff fields)

Let's hope that you didn't learn reading comprehension at Hardy, because what is stated above is Maret received "an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours -- in other words 3.30-5.30 every school day. Glad to hear that Hardy can try book the Jelleff field from December through February, though!

I'm not the PP, but you said "Jelleff is off-limits for Hardy team use," which is patently untrue.

Anybody who wants the enrollment numbers can go ask Principal Pride. It won't do you any good to complain here or pretend that she is hiding them. She is not - all you have to do is ask.

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Anonymous wrote:So the city is going to build a small school just to cater to IB families who don't want to go to school with OOB families? That is a crazy idea!

We proposed reducing enrollment at Hardy so that it could reach majority IB enrollment quickly, but that was a crazy idea as well.

The abbreviated version of this thread: Any proposal that results in a majority IB school for the families zoned for Hardy in the next few years is a crazy idea.

Here's a proposal that would work. IB families enroll in Hardy and then it will be a majority IB school. Oh my god, that's brilliant! And not crazy at all.

No it wont. Hardy = "Second tier MS school for anyone in the city whose IB school is failing and is willing to commute for a shot at a decent education."

The current enrollment of 375 is arbitrary. The building can probably accommodate twice that.. As the number of IB kids increases, the enrollment will increase as well so that OOB families have a shot at a decent school.

That's exactly what happened at Deal and Wilson. DCPS has shown much more willingness to expand and crowd than to limit OOB enrollment.

The Hardy facility can NOT accommodate a doubling of enrollment. The only athletic space today is a puny pony-league sized field next to the parking lot. Pathetic. Besides, if they increased the enrollment significantly, Hardy would lose its only real advantage which is its relatively small size.

Shut up! You have never visited the school obviously, misinformed troll!!

The truth is that at Hardy, 6th-7th-8th grades have 1 HOUR OF PE EACH AND EVERY DAY, while at Deal they have PE ONLY FOR ONE TERM, DUE TO OVERCROWDING .So what is really pathetic is to have a relatively larger outdoor space (due to the almost suburban nature of the Deal location , compared to the historical district setting of Hardy in Georgetown) and not to be able to use it!!!!....

The school has basketball, football, soccer, baseball, softball, cross country & running, tennis, volleyball and rowing teams among others. See http://www.hardyms.org/ath.jsp This year we established also ski team (they had the first trip just one week ago) as well as swimming team developmental. The huge indoor facilities (as all of those who have visited the school know), the Jelleff center and fields next door and the small enrollment number allow for space and time for daily practice, during school hours and after-school.

I call BS. It's frustrating because Jelleff is practically across the street from Hardy, but alas Jelleff is off limits for Hardy team use. Maret School paid a share of the Jelleff field renovations, and received an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours.

YOU ARE WRONG. Please stop posting if you do not have the information. The Agreement between Maret and DCPR specifies that Maret's rights on Jelleff are LIMITED to the following hours:

3:30 – 5:30 every weekday during the fall and spring (September through mid-November, and March through mid-May) .

Outside of these hours and periods of the year, i.e for the remaining 6 months, each team can access or reserve the Jelleff field through the DCPR reservation system, where Hardy has absolute priority and pays no fees. So basically ACCESS DURING SCHOOL HOURS TO THE JELLEFF FIELDS AND FACILITIES IS RESERVED TO HARDY'S TEAMS.

Correct information about the Maret-DCPR Agreement is for instance available here:

- http://georgetownmetropolitan.com/2010/01/21/city-turns-over-jelleff-fields-to-maret/ . With a detailed description of the agreement and hour limitations.

- or from Maret's website, here (under "Use of the Jelleff fields)

Let's hope that you didn't learn reading comprehension at Hardy, because what is stated above is Maret received "an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours -- in other words 3.30-5.30 every school day. Glad to hear that Hardy can try book the Jelleff field from December through February, though!

What the hell if wrong with those people continuously posting wrong and misleading infos on Hardy??!!

I don't think it is the OOB community, at all.

I think it is either ignorant mid-income IB parents, frustrated by the fees they are paying for the private schools, and who, in the presence of lower than expected returns from their investment, want to reassure themselves that Hardy is not right for their snowflakes.

Or stakeholders who have a vested interest in spreading prejudice and false negative information about the school:

- administrators of rival charters (students, including IBs, are moving from Basis to Hardy, unhappy about the daily commute and the almost exclusive STEM focus);

- administrators of private nearby schools (especially the mid-tier ones, which are being negatively affected by the decline in applications and thus in their ability to cherry-pick the best students and families, not to mention the decrease in revenues form the outrageous application fees);

-proponents of a charter MS in Ward 3, who have been having a hard time building their momentum (and a profitable business model), which is eventually dying with Hardy's rise.

- Last possibility is that the troll is actually the website moderator, Mr Jeff, who enjoys watching these exchanges, as well as the high volume of transactions in DCUM generated by the evergreen Hardy topic. Please Jeff, stop it!!!!! We are tired of overseeing this page and rectify the false information!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So the city is going to build a small school just to cater to IB families who don't want to go to school with OOB families? That is a crazy idea!

We proposed reducing enrollment at Hardy so that it could reach majority IB enrollment quickly, but that was a crazy idea as well.

The abbreviated version of this thread: Any proposal that results in a majority IB school for the families zoned for Hardy in the next few years is a crazy idea.

Here's a proposal that would work. IB families enroll in Hardy and then it will be a majority IB school. Oh my god, that's brilliant! And not crazy at all.

No it wont. Hardy = "Second tier MS school for anyone in the city whose IB school is failing and is willing to commute for a shot at a decent education."

The current enrollment of 375 is arbitrary. The building can probably accommodate twice that.. As the number of IB kids increases, the enrollment will increase as well so that OOB families have a shot at a decent school.

That's exactly what happened at Deal and Wilson. DCPS has shown much more willingness to expand and crowd than to limit OOB enrollment.

The Hardy facility can NOT accommodate a doubling of enrollment. The only athletic space today is a puny pony-league sized field next to the parking lot. Pathetic. Besides, if they increased the enrollment significantly, Hardy would lose its only real advantage which is its relatively small size.

Shut up! You have never visited the school obviously, misinformed troll!!

The truth is that at Hardy, 6th-7th-8th grades have 1 HOUR OF PE EACH AND EVERY DAY, while at Deal they have PE ONLY FOR ONE TERM, DUE TO OVERCROWDING .So what is really pathetic is to have a relatively larger outdoor space (due to the almost suburban nature of the Deal location , compared to the historical district setting of Hardy in Georgetown) and not to be able to use it!!!!....

The school has basketball, football, soccer, baseball, softball, cross country & running, tennis, volleyball and rowing teams among others. See http://www.hardyms.org/ath.jsp This year we established also ski team (they had the first trip just one week ago) as well as swimming team developmental. The huge indoor facilities (as all of those who have visited the school know), the Jelleff center and fields next door and the small enrollment number allow for space and time for daily practice, during school hours and after-school.

I call BS. It's frustrating because Jelleff is practically across the street from Hardy, but alas Jelleff is off limits for Hardy team use. Maret School paid a share of the Jelleff field renovations, and received an exclusive use right during after school practice and game hours.

YOU ARE WRONG. Please stop posting if you do not have the information. The Agreement between Maret and DCPR specifies that Maret's rights on Jelleff are LIMITED to the following hours:

3:30 – 5:30 every weekday during the fall and spring (September through mid-November, and March through mid-May) .

Outside of these hours and periods of the year, i.e for the remaining 6 months, each team can access or reserve the Jelleff field through the DCPR reservation system, where Hardy has absolute priority and pays no fees. So basically ACCESS DURING SCHOOL HOURS TO THE JELLEFF FIELDS AND FACILITIES IS RESERVED TO HARDY'S TEAMS.

Correct information about the Maret-DCPR Agreement is for instance available here:

- http://georgetownmetropolitan.com/2010/01/21/city-turns-over-jelleff-fields-to-maret/ . With a detailed description of the agreement and hour limitations.

- or from Maret's website, here (under "Use of the Jelleff fields)

Principal Pride regularly talks about the feeder numbers & they've been posted in this thread already - 18 students from Hyde, 13 from Stoddert, 6 from Mann, 5 from Key, 1 from Eaton. 43 out of the 130 kids (33%). It's likely of course a portion of these kids are OOB. So, as an exercise - if 30% of the 43 are OOB, that would mean 30 kids IB (23%) - or if 40 percent are OOB, that would mean 25 kids IB (19%). Of course, those watching intently could ask why not just give the IB numbers, but for many pretty obvious reasons they are focusing on the feeders cohorts - which is important to many parents making decisions about where to send their kids (are they going to be with other kids with similar academic experience and are friends).

Of the other children - 10 kids were from Thompson, 10 from Brent. (ie. growing numbers of kids coming from schools with improving test scores).

Of note for watching trends: Stoddert has added a full additional 5th grade class (& more families choosing to remain in Glover Park) - and as a cohort represent a higher chance of more IB kids going to Hardy - as one 'bellweather'.

DCPS official count days at schools aren't until Nov/Dec often - so the actual lag in the process of reporting IB students isn't actually taking that long.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Principal Pride is still fiddling with the recipe, or at least still cooking the enrollment numbers. After much ballyhoo about supposedly improving IB enrollment, Hardy has gone radio silent and not released the actual numbers for this year.

Newsflash: neither has any other school in DCPS. Doubtful that they're holding back on releasing the entire system's enrollment numbers just to shield Hardy.

Man, you're saying that it's February and DCPS can't release autumn enrollment numbers?! More and more Kaya seems like some throwback to DC's dysfunctional Barry era.

Anonymous wrote:I think Principal Pride is still fiddling with the recipe, or at least still cooking the enrollment numbers. After much ballyhoo about supposedly improving IB enrollment, Hardy has gone radio silent and not released the actual numbers for this year.

Newsflash: neither has any other school in DCPS. Doubtful that they're holding back on releasing the entire system's enrollment numbers just to shield Hardy.