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It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

I guess for me, I don't think either Lively or Reynolds are good people and I find Reynolds unlikeable, but I mostly agree with PP that it's not all that relevant to the claims in this case, and personally I feel like it's Baldoni that started it (his behavior leading to Reynolds yelling at him and then unfollowing Baldoni and icing him out, leading to Baldoni hiring crisis PR, which means I think Baldoni's PR was an offensive move and a retaliation campaign). But I know others think Reynolds and Lively started it by unfollowing him and icing him out and I guess manufacturing the SH side in furtherance of their goals, so to those people, Baldoni hiring crisis PR was defensive and it was Lively doing the smear against Baldoni. I understand the argument for that side, I just don't agree at this point.

The other thing about that all hands meeting is from what I remember offhand, the accounts of Reynolds being so horrible are from Wayfarer people. I think there might have been one comment from someone else (an agent or a Sony exec?) saying it was the worst thing they had ever seen, but I believe that description came secondhand from someone on the Wayfarer side. If we actually start seeing texts and deposition transcripts from Sony people or others who were at that meeting and they describe Reynolds as being so unhinged, I would reconsider my position. Same as I want to hear from Lively's makeup artist and driver about some of those incidents she claims were SH.

Just a note, lively’s make up artist is on the list of people they’ve had depositions from or are witnesses, her driver is not on any such list.

Some folks on Reddit thought that strange since she did bring him up as having a concern, but he is nowhere to be found on the list so we won’t be hearing from him.

I thought there was one labelled security somewhere. Was hoping that was him. It would not be a good look not to use him, since that was one of the claims that sounded worst, because the driver didn't want her alone with JB.

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It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

I guess for me, I don't think either Lively or Reynolds are good people and I find Reynolds unlikeable, but I mostly agree with PP that it's not all that relevant to the claims in this case, and personally I feel like it's Baldoni that started it (his behavior leading to Reynolds yelling at him and then unfollowing Baldoni and icing him out, leading to Baldoni hiring crisis PR, which means I think Baldoni's PR was an offensive move and a retaliation campaign). But I know others think Reynolds and Lively started it by unfollowing him and icing him out and I guess manufacturing the SH side in furtherance of their goals, so to those people, Baldoni hiring crisis PR was defensive and it was Lively doing the smear against Baldoni. I understand the argument for that side, I just don't agree at this point.

The other thing about that all hands meeting is from what I remember offhand, the accounts of Reynolds being so horrible are from Wayfarer people. I think there might have been one comment from someone else (an agent or a Sony exec?) saying it was the worst thing they had ever seen, but I believe that description came secondhand from someone on the Wayfarer side. If we actually start seeing texts and deposition transcripts from Sony people or others who were at that meeting and they describe Reynolds as being so unhinged, I would reconsider my position. Same as I want to hear from Lively's makeup artist and driver about some of those incidents she claims were SH.

Just a note, lively’s make up artist is on the list of people they’ve had depositions from or are witnesses, her driver is not on any such list.

Some folks on Reddit thought that strange since she did bring him up as having a concern, but he is nowhere to be found on the list so we won’t be hearing from him.

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It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

I guess for me, I don't think either Lively or Reynolds are good people and I find Reynolds unlikeable, but I mostly agree with PP that it's not all that relevant to the claims in this case, and personally I feel like it's Baldoni that started it (his behavior leading to Reynolds yelling at him and then unfollowing Baldoni and icing him out, leading to Baldoni hiring crisis PR, which means I think Baldoni's PR was an offensive move and a retaliation campaign). But I know others think Reynolds and Lively started it by unfollowing him and icing him out and I guess manufacturing the SH side in furtherance of their goals, so to those people, Baldoni hiring crisis PR was defensive and it was Lively doing the smear against Baldoni. I understand the argument for that side, I just don't agree at this point.

The other thing about that all hands meeting is from what I remember offhand, the accounts of Reynolds being so horrible are from Wayfarer people. I think there might have been one comment from someone else (an agent or a Sony exec?) saying it was the worst thing they had ever seen, but I believe that description came secondhand from someone on the Wayfarer side. If we actually start seeing texts and deposition transcripts from Sony people or others who were at that meeting and they describe Reynolds as being so unhinged, I would reconsider my position. Same as I want to hear from Lively's makeup artist and driver about some of those incidents she claims were SH.

It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird that the Blake bots are convinced that there is so much compelling evidence in the depositions and yet have been unable to relate any of it in this thread despite pages of posts.

They are back again doing the whole, "I was kind of on the edge about this and neutral...but oh boy, these last few filings have really changed my mind."

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird that the Blake bots are convinced that there is so much compelling evidence in the depositions and yet have been unable to relate any of it in this thread despite pages of posts.

They are back again doing the whole, "I was kind of on the edge about this and neutral...but oh boy, these last few filings have really changed my mind."

You realize this “us versus them” mentality that you keep putting forward is really strange for a case where you are just a bystander. Most of us truly are not that wedded to these proceedings and just pick up on pleadings or updates here and there when something interesting hits the news. That’s why our minds change as the case progresses. And yes, believe it or not, some of us do not see this as a war where one side just has to win and anyone that does not agree is a bot/whatever.

Nice try, babes. No one's buying your act. At this point, if you've been in this thread and have followed the updates for as long as I'm sure you have, you've taken a side. The only true people who are not wedded to the proceedings are the ones who hear about the trial and go, "Oh shit these two are at it again. Make it stop," and then they click on the next news story.

Are you a man? Please don’t “babes” me or any other woman in this discussion. It’s insulting.

You need step back and get some air. You are bystander in this case.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird that the Blake bots are convinced that there is so much compelling evidence in the depositions and yet have been unable to relate any of it in this thread despite pages of posts.

They are back again doing the whole, "I was kind of on the edge about this and neutral...but oh boy, these last few filings have really changed my mind."

You realize this “us versus them” mentality that you keep putting forward is really strange for a case where you are just a bystander. Most of us truly are not that wedded to these proceedings and just pick up on pleadings or updates here and there when something interesting hits the news. That’s why our minds change as the case progresses. And yes, believe it or not, some of us do not see this as a war where one side just has to win and anyone that does not agree is a bot/whatever.

Nice try, babes. No one's buying your act. At this point, if you've been in this thread and have followed the updates for as long as I'm sure you have, you've taken a side. The only true people who are not wedded to the proceedings are the ones who hear about the trial and go, "Oh shit these two are at it again. Make it stop," and then they click on the next news story.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Some of this may or may not have been professional. But it does not go to the claims or defenses in this legal action. It doesn’t excuse claims of sexual harassment, defamation or retaliation (which does not require a proof of the underlying SH). That’s why people aren’t questioning it. Because even assuming it happened as reported, and even assuming it was unprofessional, it’s not relevant to this legal cases.

I guess my point is why not? So if I am at my workplace and I run from a conference room, crying and screaming, that is objectively unprofessional behavior, and I really should not do that. If you then find out a colleague of mine tried to assault me in private in that conference room and I was running away upset….that changes things right?

This is a sloppy way of putting it, but what I am saying is Justin was putting in some really untenable and unusual situations. That doesn’t explain sexual harassment, which I actually don’t think happened, but it might explain some things like he he was crying more than Blake would’ve liked, which is an allegation she made, the set was not run as tightly as it could be, there were some unprofessional things happening. it certainly seems like some of these allegations are workplace disagreements, and not on the level of harassment from Justin’s side.

I know that Justin is not suing for harassment, but it seems like being berated and maybe even forced to come to someone’s private residence for meetings could be in the category of harassment. And could lead some unusual behavior from his end.

It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

Agree if he SH or retaliated it would not be relevant but the evident of both those things seem weak. It appears they created this totally untenable situation and then blamed Justin for it and twisted things.

Running from assault as it's happening (like in your hypothetical scenario) is in no way the same thing as what Baldoni is accused of. Baldoni demonstrating a pattern of harassment and and retaliation is not a reasonable reaction to anything Blake is being accused of doing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s weird that the Blake bots are convinced that there is so much compelling evidence in the depositions and yet have been unable to relate any of it in this thread despite pages of posts.

They are back again doing the whole, "I was kind of on the edge about this and neutral...but oh boy, these last few filings have really changed my mind."

You realize this “us versus them” mentality that you keep putting forward is really strange for a case where you are just a bystander. Most of us truly are not that wedded to these proceedings and just pick up on pleadings or updates here and there when something interesting hits the news. That’s why our minds change as the case progresses. And yes, believe it or not, some of us do not see this as a war where one side just has to win and anyone that does not agree is a bot/whatever.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Some of this may or may not have been professional. But it does not go to the claims or defenses in this legal action. It doesn’t excuse claims of sexual harassment, defamation or retaliation (which does not require a proof of the underlying SH). That’s why people aren’t questioning it. Because even assuming it happened as reported, and even assuming it was unprofessional, it’s not relevant to this legal cases.

I guess my point is why not? So if I am at my workplace and I run from a conference room, crying and screaming, that is objectively unprofessional behavior, and I really should not do that. If you then find out a colleague of mine tried to assault me in private in that conference room and I was running away upset….that changes things right?

This is a sloppy way of putting it, but what I am saying is Justin was putting in some really untenable and unusual situations. That doesn’t explain sexual harassment, which I actually don’t think happened, but it might explain some things like he he was crying more than Blake would’ve liked, which is an allegation she made, the set was not run as tightly as it could be, there were some unprofessional things happening. it certainly seems like some of these allegations are workplace disagreements, and not on the level of harassment from Justin’s side.

I know that Justin is not suing for harassment, but it seems like being berated and maybe even forced to come to someone’s private residence for meetings could be in the category of harassment. And could lead some unusual behavior from his end.

It just seems like this is such an extreme and crazy situation and we’re like wow he just acted unprofessionally. Why are the same people are not questioning some absolute unhinged behavior from the other side that may have driven some of this. And I think the answer is because Blake lively is really pretty and Ryan Reynolds is really famous and they’re celebrities so they can’t possibly be harassing people? And I just see a different way. I think the power was very much in their favor, and they took advantage of that.

Agree if he SH or retaliated it would not be relevant but the evident of both those things seem weak. It appears they created this totally untenable situation and then blamed Justin for it and twisted things.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.

Some of this may or may not have been professional. But it does not go to the claims or defenses in this legal action. It doesn’t excuse claims of sexual harassment, defamation or retaliation (which does not require a proof of the underlying SH). That’s why people aren’t questioning it. Because even assuming it happened as reported, and even assuming it was unprofessional, it’s not relevant to this legal cases.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder when we say that there were times when Justin lost his temper or acted unprofessionally, does it matter to anyone that Blake and Ryan were really pushing way beyond the boundaries of a professional relationship?

It seemed like fairly early on in production, Blake and Ryan liked to have meetings with Baldoni in their Tribeca penthouse. I find that pretty unprofessional of them, and also unprofessional to have other celebrity friends there as well.

It’s kind of absurd to me that more people haven’t questioned that.

Then to push the opinions of high-powered celebrity friends when wanting to say change the rooftop scene or something seems really unprofessional. It also seems insane to me that Ryan berated Justin I believe according to the timeline at least twice, both times in the penthouse, one time leading to a Sony exec to quit the movie because he had never seen such bad behavior.

I also don’t see people questioning Ryan’s involvement in this movie enough. Is it because he’s just such a huge celebrity and power player that we take for granted that of course he’s going to be super involved in a film that he has nothing to do with?? But isn’t that really out of the norm and also super unprofessional? I actually think that is why Blake is having trouble getting roles because now people if they didn’t realize before, see that they’re getting a package deal.

We have to ask ourselves if Blake wasn’t married to Ryan Reynolds would a lot of these scenarios have happened. I just have been really surprised that more people haven’t pushed back… Why the F was Taylor Swift and Hugh Jackman in a meeting about it ends with us with Justin? Why in the hell were these meetings taking place in Ryan Reynolds penthouse and not at a studio or onset? Why was Ryan allowed to berate Justin?

I just don’t see people questioning that enough probably because these are celebrities so they seem benign, but in any other workplace setting, this would be so totally out of the ordinary.

It seems like Justin was put in some really challenging and totally unprofessional scenarios and the power imbalance was really off.