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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc

Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal” during the deadly late-night crash between a passenger jet and an Army helicopter that killed 67 people, a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration report said, as bodies of the victims were being recovered Thursday from the icy Potomac.

The internal report reviewed by The New York Times said the controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity on Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways — jobs typically assigned to two different controllers. President Trump promised on Thursday that a thorough investigation would be conducted, while also engaging in political attacks on his predecessors.

This was not an ATC nor staffing issue.

Just because you say something does not make it true. I prefer to actually read cited news sources. You can go play around with your tinfoil hat.

At this point no one knows what happened - as emphasized by the NTSB folks who just spoke to the press. Not even cited news sources. If anyone or any news site is reporting cause right now, they are making it up. Everyone needs to hold their horses.

+1 million

Normally they would not be doing this. But people are taking their cues from Trump shooting off his mouth and blaming all the dead people.

Maybe for some.

But there are nutty conspiracy theorists on DCUM who do this for every single tragedy. It’s gross.

Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

Nice explanation of the tower and ground control comms, but has some blind spots on the helo flying.

Anonymous wrote:Each victim’s family will sue and receive, what, $5M each?

Might the airline also successfully sue the federal government dba US military?

Doubtful. The government has immunity and it doesn't look like American or the ATCs did anything wrong.

Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

What about the helicopters radar screen?
CRJ Wichita would have been on that screen.

Does “visual separation” mean you stop looking at your nav’s and just guess at what planes are out there, how fast, how high, what direction they are going?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc

Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal” during the deadly late-night crash between a passenger jet and an Army helicopter that killed 67 people, a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration report said, as bodies of the victims were being recovered Thursday from the icy Potomac.

The internal report reviewed by The New York Times said the controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity on Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways — jobs typically assigned to two different controllers. President Trump promised on Thursday that a thorough investigation would be conducted, while also engaging in political attacks on his predecessors.

This was not an ATC nor staffing issue.

Just because you say something does not make it true. I prefer to actually read cited news sources. You can go play around with your tinfoil hat.

At this point no one knows what happened - as emphasized by the NTSB folks who just spoke to the press. Not even cited news sources. If anyone or any news site is reporting cause right now, they are making it up. Everyone needs to hold their horses.

+1 million

Normally they would not be doing this. But people are taking their cues from Trump shooting off his mouth and blaming all the dead people.

Anonymous wrote:Can't wait for what happens when lays off half the government and no one wants to work for it anymore. Carnage.

The orange fruit does not care. He just wants to bring politics into everything, purge the civil servants, and put his lap dogs in place. If people are left without, or die along the way, it is just the cost of doing his regime change.

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Anonymous wrote:New Orleans flight was right behind the American Airlines flight???

It was American 3130.

So, the pilots saw the collision??

Almost certainly.

Anonymous wrote:Daniel Driscoll, President Trump’s pick for secretary of the Army, said on Thursday that the Army might need to end flight training near congested urban airports like Reagan National Airport. Driscoll, speaking at a Senate Armed Services hearing to consider his nomination, said the Army would need to look at “where is an appropriate time to take training risk, and it may not be near an airport like Reagan.”

Yes. Please take military pilot training and certification flights further away from DCA.

Anonymous wrote:Great pilot analysis. He seems fairly confident the Helo simply had the wrong airplane in sight. Literally did not see the other plane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfgllf1L9_4

If true it's really hard to understand how they don't see the airplane right in front of them, both on radar and visually. Like I understand what this guy is saying and I assume he knows more than I do about what it's like in the air, but when you look at the radar and see the video footage, it's hard to make sense of because the plane is *right there.*

What is the reason they might not be looking at radar to see the closer plane? There are two pilots and a crew chief on the helicopter. Surely one of them would be in charge of checking radar especially while flying through that particular corridor knowing there will be planes taking off and landing from National. I don't get it.

It also raises the question of whether the night vision goggles they were wearing for training purposes obscured their vision to the degree that it made it more likely they would not see the closer jet and would think the area closer to them was clear. If that's the case, I'm sorry, but this is 100% on the DoD for permitting that kind of training flight near a very busy urban airport. Like completely unacceptable. I understand why an Army pilot would need training with night vision goggles but there is no reason why that should be done in an area where it could jeopardize civilian lives in that way.

So if this is the explanation, it honestly raises more questions than it answers. IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/01/29/us/plane-crash-washington-dc

Staffing at the air traffic control tower at Ronald Reagan National Airport was “not normal” during the deadly late-night crash between a passenger jet and an Army helicopter that killed 67 people, a preliminary Federal Aviation Administration report said, as bodies of the victims were being recovered Thursday from the icy Potomac.

The internal report reviewed by The New York Times said the controller who was handling helicopters in the airport’s vicinity on Wednesday night was also instructing planes that were landing and departing from its runways — jobs typically assigned to two different controllers. President Trump promised on Thursday that a thorough investigation would be conducted, while also engaging in political attacks on his predecessors.

This was not an ATC nor staffing issue.

Just because you say something does not make it true. I prefer to actually read cited news sources. You can go play around with your tinfoil hat.

At this point no one knows what happened - as emphasized by the NTSB folks who just spoke to the press. Not even cited news sources. If anyone or any news site is reporting cause right now, they are making it up. Everyone needs to hold their horses.

+1 million

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Anonymous wrote:New Orleans flight was right behind the American Airlines flight???

It was American 3130.

So, the pilots saw the collision??

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Anonymous wrote:Do military helicopters have blackboxes? Will they be able to hear the equivalent of a cockpit recording?

According to the news, yes. That doesn't mean the public will have access though.

It will absolutely be in the final NTSB report.

Maybe in the before times.

Now in the MAGAcalypse all bets are off.

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Anonymous wrote:I pray that we will have a legitimate NTSB investigation and actually learn what caused this tragedy. It takes a long time for that meticulous process but that’s what I care about, the truth. It’s offensive to start blaming various forms of identity which have nothing to do with the individual choices or mechanical failures that may have contributed to or caused the crash.

BTW, CBC provides actual news coverage for those that might be interested.

wtf does that mean? Identity choices?

INDIVIDUAL CHOICES

Daniel Driscoll, President Trump’s pick for secretary of the Army, said on Thursday that the Army might need to end flight training near congested urban airports like Reagan National Airport. Driscoll, speaking at a Senate Armed Services hearing to consider his nomination, said the Army would need to look at “where is an appropriate time to take training risk, and it may not be near an airport like Reagan.”

Anonymous wrote:Can't wait for what happens when lays off half the government and no one wants to work for it anymore. Carnage.

I guess people will have to drive to Kansas on unpaved roads. Elections have consequences.