Anonymous wrote:I haven’t seen it mentioned yet in this 98-page thread, but another consideration for this project is the proposed expansion of the blue line, which is currently WMATA’s top-ranked for future metro expansion.

This option would build a new tunnel under the Potomac and separate the Blue Line under M Street between Georgetown and Union Station.

It would also create a dozen new stations including a second Rosslyn station, Georgetown, West End, another Farragut station, two unnamed stations between Farragut and Union Station, Buzzard Point, St. Elizabeth’s, Bolling AFB, Forest Heights, Oxen Hill and National Harbor. It would also increase the number of transit options available near Audi Field and other development in that part of the city.

New [Blue line] transfer points include Rosslyn, Farragut, Mt Vernon Square, Union Station, Capitol South, and Navy Yard.

Sources:
https://dcist.com/story/23/07/10/will-metro-expand-more/
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2023/09/26/dc-metro-expansion-georgetown
https://www.wmata.com/initiatives/plans/BOS-Capacity-Reliability-Study/BOS-Concepts.cfm

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

If 2 minutes is the deal breaker for you, I don't know to tell you. FYI, we don't all live in McLean. Yes, I know you heard of McLean from a friend, but Fairfax County has about a million other residents.

That is 2 minutes in rote time, not rush hour time.

Ummm, does Gallery Place have some protectivew bubble around it during rush hour? Is it immune from traffic or does traffic only exist in Potomac Yards?

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

Sorry, dude, I regularly drive to Baltimore. CY is on the south side of Baltimore, and you barely drive into Baltimore to reach CY. And, yes, during rush hour (i.e., weekday games), the drive to Baltimore would be easier than the drive to PY, which requires driving thru DC during rush hour and then hitting the outgoing rush hour traffic.

This option would build a new tunnel under the Potomac and separate the Blue Line under M Street between Georgetown and Union Station.

It would also create a dozen new stations including a second Rosslyn station, Georgetown, West End, another Farragut station, two unnamed stations between Farragut and Union Station, Buzzard Point, St. Elizabeth’s, Bolling AFB, Forest Heights, Oxen Hill and National Harbor. It would also increase the number of transit options available near Audi Field and other development in that part of the city.

New [Blue line] transfer points include Rosslyn, Farragut, Mt Vernon Square, Union Station, Capitol South, and Navy Yard.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

If 2 minutes is the deal breaker for you, I don't know to tell you. FYI, we don't all live in McLean. Yes, I know you heard of McLean from a friend, but Fairfax County has about a million other residents.

That is 2 minutes in rote time, not rush hour time.

Ummm, does Gallery Place have some protectivew bubble around it during rush hour? Is it immune from traffic or does traffic only exist in Potomac Yards?

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

If 2 minutes is the deal breaker for you, I don't know to tell you. FYI, we don't all live in McLean. Yes, I know you heard of McLean from a friend, but Fairfax County has about a million other residents.

That is 2 minutes in rote time, not rush hour time.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

If 2 minutes is the deal breaker for you, I don't know to tell you. FYI, we don't all live in McLean. Yes, I know you heard of McLean from a friend, but Fairfax County has about a million other residents.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Thanks for proving the prior point. The drive from McLean Metro to PY is longer in distance and time than the drive from McLean Metro to Capital One Arena. 17 miles to 13 miles. 22 to 20 minutes. And that small differential does not take into account the traffic congestion at PY. But, perhaps, those wealthy McLean residents will use the parking lot shuttle (not) or take the Metro (also longer in time, not). The simple fact is that Route 1 has only limited access. This is no a NoVa versus issue.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

Look at a map before posting again.

From a transportation standpoint, it is absolutely in one corner. How long does it take someone from Rockville or Ashburn to get to Potmac Yards as compared to Gallery Place?

Who gives a f**k about Rockville?

At least 6,000 season ticket holders who won't be renewing into the new location.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

Perhaps you haven't tried to drive or metro to Potomac Yards from Fairfax during rush hour?

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

It also benefits Fairfax County. You might have heard of it.

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Drove to Caps game last night from inner MD burbs. Left at 630 for 730 game. Arrived early. Was back at home by 11 pm, having watched the Caps prevail in OT. 4.5 hours. If Caps move to PY, 4.5 becomes 5.5 hours at best, with the end result that I will not be attending Caps games in PY.

Guess VA will have to do without those inner MD dollars! Enjoy those Bethesda restaurants then.

If you think the team will sell enough tickets just from people who live in Alexandria, Potomac Yards, Del Ray and Pentagon City, you will be in for a surprise when the debt service on the bonds that comes from ticket sales and concession taxes doesn't cover the nut and taxpayers are left holding the bag.

I think much of the shock and disbelief being expressed by DC residents and electeds stems from the fact that most of this crowd have never spent time in NOVA other than a Silver Line trip to IAD. There is a tremendously wealthy, highly educated, law abiding, and yes, diverse population in NOVA that any sports team owner salivate over. The traffic hurdles are real, but with funding and planning they can be addressed.

Please name me a traffic problem that has been solved in the DMV in the last 30 years. Yes, I expect that Ted and a few politicians will hold at some point a press conference announcing "a well thought out plan" to resolve the traffic issues. My reply will be BS!

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Given the physical constraints of this location it’s impossible to fix.

The best you’ll get is parking offsite with a shuttle. The question is: how many people are really going to put up with that extra hassle.

A shuttle will add at least another 20 minutes to the half-hour minimum each way I described below.

I guess all the investors and Alexandria City analysts have no idea what they are talking about. How could they miss that no one in MD, DC, or NoVA will go to Alexandria for a game? Guess next time they should ask anonymous forum posters from MD what they think will happen.

In reality, Arlington and Alexandria are full of parked cars with DC and MD plates regardless of traffic concerns. Even Wizards fans from La Plata will be driving in.

DP. I’m sure some people will still attend, but the additional hassle will turn off many others.

Probably balanced out by all the people who would go to a game in Alexandria but don't want the hassle of going into DC.

You think there are that many people in Alexandria, Del Ray and Potomac Landing to replace all of the fans from DC, northwestern Virginia and anything not Prince George's MD?

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This definitely opens up Baltimore’s middle branch area right off 95 for an NHL arena. I think they would rather have NHL than nba

An NHL team near Camden Yards would be an easier drive for MoCo and PGC residents than the drive to Potomac Yards.

Horsesh*t. Never mnd the fact that Alexandria is widely considered to "DC", given, you know, the fact that it's all of a little jog from the city proper. Camden yards is....... Baltimore.

Your agument is getting more pathetic with each page.

No, Alexandria is Alexandria, and not DC. No one in Alexandria says they are from DC or live in DC and no one in DC considers anything across the river to be DC.

The main problem is, Alexandria is in one corner of the metropolitan region. An arena like this that serves the fans of the region should be accessible to the region, and this location isn't. It's Ted's team to do as he pleases, but he is thumbing any goodwill he has had at 2/3 of his fan base with this move.

What is missing here is that the issue really is NOT between NoVa and DC/MD. The only beneficiaries of this proposed move reside in Alexandria. The move does not benefit those who live in Great Falls, Falls Church, Loudoun County, Reston, etc.