Anonymous
11/04/2022 16:16
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:
They also added geographic diversity to keep down the Jews who tend to cluster in a few cities.
I understand the point you were trying to make but you would't usually say "the Jews." Also, can you provide your source for this? I'm interested in learning a little more of this history.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:36
Subject: Re:Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LMFAO WTF PEOPLE
Claiming that Math and English Tests are biased.
Also claiming that scoring likability, courage, without even looking at the person is legit, and Harvard is right.
DISGUSTING. NO SHAME.
If you don’t recognize the possibility that tests can be biased in many ways, then you might want to educate yourself, particularly if you’re going to lean on the CAPS key.
Retreat. pay attention to the thread.
No SAT seems worse - Berkely UCLA
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:32
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
"Admission of California freshmen reached an all-time high with 84,223 students and 36,462 of them, or 43%, are students from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups. Latinos were the largest group admitted for the second year in a row, making up 37%. Asian Americans made up 34%, white students 20% and Black students 5%. The rest were American Indians, Pacific Islanders or those who declined to state their race or ethnicity, officials said."
5% black admission vs 6 % CA population.
Still underrepresented but not bad.
When there aren't any systemic anti-black barriers to education, progress can be made.
umm.. right there are plenty of schools in CA and in the US so no need to artificially shove them into specific shcools.
Berkely 2% and UCLA 3% withoug SAT, but overall inclduing all the schools, it's not bad right?
I totally agree.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:32
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:It's not about "guaranteed" seats, but more that one group is being discriminated against. This group has to outperform on every metric and are given low personality scores without any face to face interactions. Imagine if that group was African Americans. And in fact, this is what those schools did to Jews when Jews started to outperform WASPS in every measurable metric. So, those schools threw in subjective, "soft" metrics like letters of recs and extra curriculars, and "likeability" scores.
They also added geographic diversity to keep down the Jews who tend to cluster in a few cities.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:32
Subject: Re:Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:LMFAO WTF PEOPLE
Claiming that Math and English Tests are biased.
Also claiming that scoring likability, courage, without even looking at the person is legit, and Harvard is right.
DISGUSTING. NO SHAME.
It’s comical but when people do poorly on an objective test they grasp for an explanation other than their own shortcomings. We live in a victimhood culture where nobody wants to take personal accountability for anything. It’s the fall of Rome.
What’s your working definition of “objective “?
When people know so little about the process of test construction, norming, and validating, yet insist — with nothing to support their assertions— that only “a culture of victimhood” could possibly account for questioning an assessment tool, it’s anything but comical. I might agree with you about the “fall of Rome” though — albeit for very different reasons.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:31
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:
The SAT is way too easy to serve as a measure for readiness at Caltech (and MIT or any other elite math, physics, or engineering program).
It’s a classic example of using a test with an enormous ceiling effect to predict performance, and then finding that it doesn’t predict performance for kids at the top end.
If they used the AMC12, the test would work just fine.
They look at AMC12 and AIME and USAMO and IMO and other activities as well.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:28
Subject: Re:Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:LMFAO WTF PEOPLE
Claiming that Math and English Tests are biased.
Also claiming that scoring likability, courage, without even looking at the person is legit, and Harvard is right.
DISGUSTING. NO SHAME.
If you don’t recognize the possibility that tests can be biased in many ways, then you might want to educate yourself, particularly if you’re going to lean on the CAPS key.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:26
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
"Admission of California freshmen reached an all-time high with 84,223 students and 36,462 of them, or 43%, are students from underrepresented racial and ethnic groups. Latinos were the largest group admitted for the second year in a row, making up 37%. Asian Americans made up 34%, white students 20% and Black students 5%. The rest were American Indians, Pacific Islanders or those who declined to state their race or ethnicity, officials said."
5% black admission vs 6 % CA population.
Still underrepresented but not bad.
When there aren't any systemic anti-black barriers to education, progress can be made.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:25
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
What was the world get along before SAT/ACT scores?
How did the admissions world get along before test scores, I assume you're asking? Well, for a lot of colleges, their decision-making was less accurate. These are smart people deciding how to select a class, and they wouldn't use a metric that didn't help them get closer to what they want.
Well, the college I attended would have been all male, virtually all white, and the majority of the students were from a relatively small number of prep schools. Many, including at least one former president, were legacy students. The “Gentleman’s C” was not viewed as an embarrassment, and mediocre grades were usually not an impediment to pursuing many quite lucrative careers.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:21
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:If they stop taking federal money and start paying taxes as for profit businesses then they can do whatever they want, just like K-12 private schools.
K-12 schools don't pay taxes
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:16
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
If they stop taking federal money and start paying taxes as for profit businesses then they can do whatever they want, just like K-12 private schools.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:14
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
but but they are Test Blind, No SAT as you like.
Berkeley is but one school in the UC system, albeit at elite level.
Between Berkeley, UCLA and UC Davis, it's closer to 6% combined.
Not bad.
Will get better.
Berkeley - Black 2%
UCLA - Black 3%
Doesn't seem like SAT is the problem, it got worse without SAT
Missed a school ( not surprised).
UC Davis has about the same percentage.
Just those 3 get you to state population percentage. There are many more UC schools as well. Not bad.
Then do you like add all the Blacks from all schools in MA to come up with Black student %?
Harvard + MIT + Tufts + BC + BU + Northeasetrn + etc = probably over 70%
LMFAO
Those are private schools. Of course not.
Discussion was on a state school system, so yes, state demographics is a plausible discussion point.
You're not too bright.
LMFAO ARE YOU FOR REAL OR ARE YOU TRYING TO MOCK BLACK PEOPLE
then what's Asian student %?
Berkeley 35% + UCLA 29% ??
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:04
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
but but they are Test Blind, No SAT as you like.
Berkeley is but one school in the UC system, albeit at elite level.
Between Berkeley, UCLA and UC Davis, it's closer to 6% combined.
Not bad.
Will get better.
Berkeley - Black 2%
UCLA - Black 3%
Doesn't seem like SAT is the problem, it got worse without SAT
Missed a school ( not surprised).
UC Davis has about the same percentage.
Just those 3 get you to state population percentage. There are many more UC schools as well. Not bad.
Then do you like add all the Blacks from all schools in MA to come up with Black student %?
Harvard + MIT + Tufts + BC + BU + Northeasetrn + etc = probably over 70%
LMFAO
Those are private schools. Of course not.
Discussion was on a state school system, so yes, state demographics is a plausible discussion point.
You're not too bright.
Anonymous
11/04/2022 15:00
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
but but they are Test Blind, No SAT as you like.
Berkeley is but one school in the UC system, albeit at elite level.
Between Berkeley, UCLA and UC Davis, it's closer to 6% combined.
Not bad.
Will get better.
Berkeley - Black 2%
UCLA - Black 3%
Doesn't seem like SAT is the problem, it got worse without SAT
Missed a school ( not surprised).
UC Davis has about the same percentage.
Just those 3 get you to state population percentage. There are many more UC schools as well. Not bad.
Then do you like add all the Blacks from all schools in MA to come up with Black student %?
Harvard + MIT + Tufts + BC + BU + Northeasetrn + etc = probably over 70%
LMFAO
Anonymous
11/04/2022 14:58
Subject: Race in college admissions is back in front of the Supreme Court Oral Argument on Oct. 31 (Monday)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are some truly dense people on DCUM who keep saying URMs are unqualified based test scores. This isn't China! If you want a system based entirely on test scores, you are in the wrong country.
+1000
Anyone who's enlightened about the history of the United States and its implementation of standardized testing, and the racist objective should know this.
The SAT / ACT is fake " merit"
But SAT + GPA + Activities + Leadership + Intereview is most likely not
GPA and rigor is the primary basis for academic merit. Period.
The rest like ECs, leadership, interviews is to help elite colleges shape a class.
I agree with MIT and think Test + GPA and rigor combination is the primary basis for acedemic merit.
Schools want to throw in the other factors, so let it be.
What I don't agree is throwing in race.
Good for you and MIT.
1800 other schools - including all of the Ivies - have a different opinion.
Yes.
Like CalTech (#9 in USNWR), a peer of MIT:
"CalTech said an internal study revealed standardized test scores “have little to no power” predicting academic performance in required mathematics and physics courses for first-year students in the institute’s core curriculum."
Funny. Since MIT made its decision to reinstate standardized testing, how many elite schools followed them?
Crickets.
That's called range restriction. At a place where the 25th percentile kid has a 1530, I'm quite sure that SAT scores have "little to no power" to predict. Let in 25% of the class with a 1200 and I'm quite sure that they will become very predictive. The UC system did their own analysis on the SAT/ACT (280K plus kids go there, so lots of data) and they found that the SAT/ACT was the single best predictor of college performance.
The point is that they aren't requiring the SAT. Good. They can still get super smart kids that are diverse.
The UC system is test blind.
It's test blind now. The recommendation was to not remove tests, but the leadership ignored the recommendation from the team they put together. People aren't against using SAT/ACT scores because they don't work, they're against them because they do.
Not quite.
The state was sued by black and Latino groups claiming that the SAT was racist and barrier to opportunity enter the UC schools. The UC decided to settle rather than lose.
The SAT/ ACT is a fake meritocracy sham.
Test optional and test blind options will continue to grow.
Sorry for Blacks
Berkeley
Asian 35%
White 21%
Hispanic 20%
International 13%
Two or more races 6%
Unknown 3%
Black 2%
American Indian 0%
Pacific Islander 0%
Blacks are 6% of the California population. They are underrepresented. No surprise there. Hispanics are too.
but but they are Test Blind, No SAT as you like.
Berkeley is but one school in the UC system, albeit at elite level.
Between Berkeley, UCLA and UC Davis, it's closer to 6% combined.
Not bad.
Will get better.
Berkeley - Black 2%
UCLA - Black 3%
Doesn't seem like SAT is the problem, it got worse without SAT
Missed a school ( not surprised).
UC Davis has about the same percentage.
Just those 3 get you to state population percentage. There are many more UC schools as well. Not bad.
Someone who clearly would benefit from test optional.