Anonymous wrote:Also, report showed locks were often circumvented by staff and doors were often propped open. Administration knew and felt it aided teachers who forgot their keys.

Anonymous wrote:Today's report showed that there had been 47(!) lockdowns at this elementary school since Feb, 2022 due to the town's proximity to the border. JFC

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Anonymous wrote:So unarmed parents wanted to get in there and take on this situation and all those officers with all those fancy weapons that that community bought for them, wanted to stay outside?

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

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About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

DP Please you conservatives are a joke. Your every day the number of police, what they did and did not do, what type of equipment and who the Texas political establishment throws out as scapegoat changes. Yet you stand by and support the conservatives clown show that is Texas.

So keep spinning! I sure you are doing god’s work owning the libs!

Please pull forward if you don’t wish to place an order. Thank you for stopping at Wendy’s. Have a great day.

In all seriousness, PP, you are unhinged. Tilting at windmills. I had a child who was quite literally shot at while walking with friends about to be dismissed from high school for day. The shooter had multiple semiautomatic rifles — all purchased legally in Virginia, although subsequently converted to automatic — sniper scopes and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. It was live-streamed to the internet. For reasons still not known, he stopped shooting after firing more than 200 rounds. Miraculously only two people were seriously injured.

I doubt you have ever received a call from a distraught child who wanted nothing more than to tell you how much they loved their parents and didn’t want to die. So spare us the banal drama and histrionics.

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Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

So the lock on the outer door did not work. The locks on the classroom doors can only be locked from outside the classrooms. Fortifying a position is used to slow and funnel people to areas. If people who are guarding fail to show up or take action all the fortifications are useless. This is what happen here. Just like it happen to the French in WW2. Police failed and conservatives failed.

The Texas law enforcement report already said that the Uvalde shooter would've been easily able to shoot out the window next to the door and open the door from the outside, if the door had not malfunctioned. He had already fired at the building multiple times. He was single-mindedly determined to get inside.

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Every door at my child’s elementary school either has a window next to it, or a window in the door.. Exterior doors, classroom doors, cafeteria, gym, they’re all the same. Locks aren't going to stop someone with an AR-15 and a determination to get inside.
It’s the guns.

+1 But the unlocked classroom door kept 19 law enforcement officers from going in and doing their jobs.

Agree with the PPP.

The question of locked doors is entirely the wrong one to even be having. By shifting the conversation to fortifying schools we've already conceded defeat to the AR-15 wielding wackos, we are already down to defining which of the handful of places in our childrens lives we are going to bother fortifying and defending -

- rather than trying to make sure that lunatics can't so easily get those AR-15s in the first place, making the WHOLE COUNTRY a safer place for our kids.

I refuse to make that concession. It's the guns.

You’re years late to what passes for the policy discussion. America began fortifying classrooms in earnest in the wake of Sandy Hook. (We already had active shooter drills) There was an opportunity to pass meaningful gun control legislation at the time, including reviving the assault weapons ban, but our Congress was bought and paid for and the Murdochs were busy telling the god-and-guns fanatics that Obama’s black helicopters were coming for their shotguns.

Never too late to fix this. We need to regain a full majority.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

DP Please you conservatives are a joke. Your every day the number of police, what they did and did not do, what type of equipment and who the Texas political establishment throws out as scapegoat changes. Yet you stand by and support the conservatives clown show that is Texas.

So keep spinning! I sure you are doing god’s work owning the libs!

Please pull forward if you don’t wish to place an order. Thank you for stopping at Wendy’s. Have a great day.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

Nearly 400.

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Anonymous wrote:In the video when the killer comes in the door you watch it close and you hear it lock/. Sorry I don’t buy the narrative that it wasn’t propped open. That teacher certainly holds blame for this tragedy!

Investigators have confirmed that there is security video showing that the door was closed after the teacher returned to the building.

If it was a self locking door then how did the shooter get in?

Are we really doing this again Ted Cruz?

It malfunctioned.

The answer *is not* whether or not doors function properly. The answer *IS NOT* fortifying schools. Those answers basically give in to the mentally deranged criminals and take away our safety and wellbeing.

The RIGHT answer is to make sure that criminals and nutjobs are not allowed to obtain guns.

So the lock on the outer door did not work. The locks on the classroom doors can only be locked from outside the classrooms. Fortifying a position is used to slow and funnel people to areas. If people who are guarding fail to show up or take action all the fortifications are useless. This is what happen here. Just like it happen to the French in WW2. Police failed and conservatives failed.

The Texas law enforcement report already said that the Uvalde shooter would've been easily able to shoot out the window next to the door and open the door from the outside, if the door had not malfunctioned. He had already fired at the building multiple times. He was single-mindedly determined to get inside.

This.
Every door at my child’s elementary school either has a window next to it, or a window in the door.. Exterior doors, classroom doors, cafeteria, gym, they’re all the same. Locks aren't going to stop someone with an AR-15 and a determination to get inside.
It’s the guns.

+1 But the unlocked classroom door kept 19 law enforcement officers from going in and doing their jobs.

Agree with the PPP.

The question of locked doors is entirely the wrong one to even be having. By shifting the conversation to fortifying schools we've already conceded defeat to the AR-15 wielding wackos, we are already down to defining which of the handful of places in our childrens lives we are going to bother fortifying and defending -

- rather than trying to make sure that lunatics can't so easily get those AR-15s in the first place, making the WHOLE COUNTRY a safer place for our kids.

I refuse to make that concession. It's the guns.

You’re years late to what passes for the policy discussion. America began fortifying classrooms in earnest in the wake of Sandy Hook. (We already had active shooter drills) There was an opportunity to pass meaningful gun control legislation at the time, including reviving the assault weapons ban, but our Congress was bought and paid for and the Murdochs were busy telling the god-and-guns fanatics that Obama’s black helicopters were coming for their shotguns.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

And yet we require 18 year olds to register for the selective service. And they could be called up after high school graduation and shipped to a foreign country against their will and handed the same weapons and ordered into the line of fire. And we allow other 18 year olds to commit to being sent to war, no excuses. We expect it of soldiers. And if our Army turns tail and runs, that’s very bad as well. We also expect it of police, many of whom are older and all of whom knew going in this was a possibility.

And here’s something else to think about. Unconscious bias is a powerful thing. If this were a classroom full of UMC white kids, 77 minutes would not have elapsed.

+1

About your last comment. The political pressure from parents alone would have had cops in the room much quicker if there were UMC white kids. Imagine this happening at a private school? Never would 77 minutes elapse.

That is the most racist thing you could ever say. You know nothing about Uvalde at all.

DP It is not racist to point out racism. If this had happened a Sidwell or Choate do you think the police response would be different- yes. Would the police still be lying about what happened - no. Would meaningful gun restrict be in place- yes.

This isn’t helpful. I’ll go out in a limb and suggest that MPD would have a different response posture for Sidwell than a small, rural town in SW Texas. We know that based on April 22 local and federal response to the Burke shooting. Laying blame for the lack of action at Uvalde on racism strikes me as facile given that many of the responding officers were themselves Latino.

Your response is disingenuous and more like conservatives propaganda full of lies and fake news. 91 law enforcement officers were at the site and did nothing. They were ordered to stand down and wait which is against all SOPs. The small rural SW Texas town had its own swat team and school police force in addition to regular police. They had all the resources, training and personnel need to handle one shooter. We all know what Texas conservatives think of poc and immigrants. The police’s inaction was followed up by a cover up that starts at the highest level of Texas government and is still on going.

This would have been handle differently if the school was Sidwel or similar. You know that but for some reason you wish to spread your lies and disinformation.

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s, may I take your order?

What the f are you saying? Are you trying to be funny? Here an update for you over 400 law enforcement officers were at the school and did nothing. Every day there is more and more coming out and all you do is spin. I bet you were one of those Sandy Hook deniers. What the f is wrong with you conservatives?You are f in the head.

DP. That’s an older joke. It’s used when people go on rants, especially for unwanted or unrelated topics. I’m rather progressive and I rolled my eyes at that comment too, so get over yourself.

Also, the new report said 376 members of law enforcement. It’s still a lot, so it’s really not necessary to exaggerate to make your case look better. It diminishes your other points when you do that. If you want a dramatic talking point, you could say there were more officers there than there were defending the Alamo. But please do stop accusing other people of spin if you can’t even get your own facts straight.

DP Please you conservatives are a joke. Your every day the number of police, what they did and did not do, what type of equipment and who the Texas political establishment throws out as scapegoat changes. Yet you stand by and support the conservatives clown show that is Texas.

So keep spinning! I sure you are doing god’s work owning the libs!