Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 06:31     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.


Exactly.



McConnell IS NOT GOING TO HOLD THE VOTE, PEOPLE. Dems need another plan.


The dems can continue to pass bills to re-open the government, except for DHS, and the GOP can continue to sit on it and suffer in public perception. The American public backlash on this has been pretty clear. At some point, the residents of states like Alaska where the Federal presence is strong and the shutdown has a material impact on the economy will force Senators to act against McConnell.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 06:23     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is so strange this issue is framed as a stand off between two sides who need to compromise when only one of those sides is actually demanding anything and the other has already voted to reopen the government with no strings attached.


Because the Dems won’t bring up debate on border wall unless forced to. Dems never compromise.

BS. They compromise all the time. So do Republicans. It's gotten harder for both sides, but it does happen from time to time. It happened last month until Trump blew it up.

Gridlock in Washington is what Trump was elected to fix. All he's done is make it worse.


Gridlock is specifically what Putin wanted Trump to cause in order to destabilize the only country that could challenge Russia. Trump is doing exactly what his main constituent helped get him elected to do. First chaos in the government, and now helping to destabilize the economy. He's also done a great job making sure Europe knows America is no longer a reliable partner. I'd say Putin is getting exactly what he wants.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 01:18     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:BOTH sides have to compromise.


This is 100% on the GOP. They are the ones continuing the govt shutdown.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 01:12     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:BOTH sides have to compromise.

Release the hostages first and then by all means come to a negotiated compromise that brings us more secure borders and does so in a smart and humane way
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 01:04     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
BOTH sides have to compromise.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 00:09     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED


At this point it is mostly open - they just aren’t paying the people they are recalling to work and of course they are making them work without support staff. Agency after agency has been asked to recall workers in response to pressure from lobbyists and in the interest of minimizinged the pain to people who might vote.
Agencies without powerful/ wealthy allies (EPA, Smithsonian, regulatory agencies) are likely to stay closed for as long as the shutdown continues. So for example, the IRS has recalled 46,000 workers to help process refunds but the workers who scrutinize dodgy returns are still furloughed

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/18/685829213/attempts-to-make-shutdown-painless-may-stretch-limits-of-federal-law
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/finance/426123-dems-lash-out-at-trump-for-recalling-furloughed-workers%3famp


TSA is the weak link. It's just not good enough of a job to keeping working for free and as they start dropping out, it's going to be really noticeable.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 00:06     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED


At this point it is mostly open - they just aren’t paying the people they are recalling to work and of course they are making them work without support staff. Agency after agency has been asked to recall workers in response to pressure from lobbyists and in the interest of minimizinged the pain to people who might vote.
Agencies without powerful/ wealthy allies (EPA, Smithsonian, regulatory agencies) are likely to stay closed for as long as the shutdown continues. So for example, the IRS has recalled 46,000 workers to help process refunds but the workers who scrutinize dodgy returns are still furloughed

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/18/685829213/attempts-to-make-shutdown-painless-may-stretch-limits-of-federal-law
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/finance/426123-dems-lash-out-at-trump-for-recalling-furloughed-workers%3famp


Nope, millions of people are adversely affected--for absolutely no reason--and the shutdown has to end before any negotiations with maniac Cheeto take place.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2019 00:01     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED


At this point it is mostly open - they just aren’t paying the people they are recalling to work and of course they are making them work without support staff. Agency after agency has been asked to recall workers in response to pressure from lobbyists and in the interest of minimizinged the pain to people who might vote.
Agencies without powerful/ wealthy allies (EPA, Smithsonian, regulatory agencies) are likely to stay closed for as long as the shutdown continues. So for example, the IRS has recalled 46,000 workers to help process refunds but the workers who scrutinize dodgy returns are still furloughed

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/18/685829213/attempts-to-make-shutdown-painless-may-stretch-limits-of-federal-law
https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/finance/426123-dems-lash-out-at-trump-for-recalling-furloughed-workers%3famp
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 23:51     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.


Exactly.

Why do Democrats have to be the "reasonable" ones? Pelosi is not going to negotiate with the hostage takers. She has her caucus under control. Does McConnell?


McConnell IS NOT GOING TO HOLD THE VOTE, PEOPLE. Dems need another plan.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 23:47     Subject: How long will the shutdown last?
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE OPENED
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 23:18     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.


Exactly.



McConnell IS NOT GOING TO HOLD THE VOTE, PEOPLE. Dems need another plan.


The other plan is to let the Republicans continue to own the shutdown. It’ll be great optics as the House and it’s functional Dem leadership keeps passing reasonable bill after reasonable bill and the obstructionist Republican leadership refuses to allow a vote on anything.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 23:11     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.


Exactly.



McConnell IS NOT GOING TO HOLD THE VOTE, PEOPLE. Dems need another plan.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 22:43     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.


Exactly.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 22:36     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Democrats were proposing $563 million to hire 75 more immigration judges, who currently face large backlogs processing"

That's $7,500,000 for each judge.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/01/19/us/politics/ap-us-government-shutdown.html


*sigh*

I’m going to let you think about that math a little longer.


That's TRUMP's proposal

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/01/19/us/politics/19reuters-usa-shutdown-trump-offer-factbox.html

Burn. And don't forget the $805 million for drug sniffing dogs.


I don’t understand why Dems wouldn’t even look at Trump’s offered deal. I’m sure there are Dems who would vote for that.

Because they want the government to open first. If he wants to pressure the Dems, they offered a 3 week CR while they negotiate border security. He refused. Why did he do that? He can shut it down in 3 weeks if they don't bargain in good faith.
Anonymous
Post 01/20/2019 22:36     Subject: Re:How long will the shutdown last?
This is completely crazy.

Funding for federal employees has nothing to do with immigration.

Wall, border security, DACA, TPS, immigration judges etc etc. is about immigration. So, this government shutdown is truly a hostage situation.

McConnell must open the government and then Democrats and Republicans can debate merit of both sides views and proposals on immigration. It would actually be a negotiation only then.