Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:14
Subject: Re:Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:The details are beyond horrific. Those poor children! Jesus we suck as a country to have allowed this to happen again.
But nothing will change unless you dedicate yourself to changing it.
We don’t have any details beyond the shooting.
We don’t know the shooters record, his living situation, where he got his money, if he was in a gang, how often he went to school, what kind of student he was, what he did in the internet or social media, etc.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:14
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
If the deranged person doesn’t have a gun, there is NO NEED for a guard with a gun!
Well while you get that all sorted out, is it okay if guard the kids?
Look, deadly school shootings are the primary tool in the gun control debate. A sudden decrease in mass killings attributable to an increase in armed guards would be disastrous for our cause.
Bingo!
You cannot be more wrong. The goal is to stop mass shootings. Why are you against sensible gun laws? Is your freedom to own a gun more important than the lives of innocent children?
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:12
Subject: Re:Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You know ANYTHInG about mental health services you’d know that a therapist cannot help a patient who doesn’t really want help.
The next hurdle is needing a patient willing to do the work. To change. To improve. To get good habits. To copy in positive not negative ways.
If you’re going the mental healthy route we frankly need to bring back institutions. And prob start with meds.
I remember when schools promoted positive family relationships. Seems to be the opposite now.
True.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:12
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Switzerland has a ton of guns per capita. But they are highly highly regulated (with strict background checks) and they haven’t had a mass shooting in 20 years. Let’s try their way!
As a Swiss I thought about that a lot. It boils out to a difference in mentality and social structure. We have troubled and violent young people too. They act out in many ways, but are have more social interactions and an overall healthier social fabric around them. Young men go to military service and then bring their service rifle home. They relationship to guns is not a passionate one. Rural people like to go the shooting range. But it stops there. Also we have a direct democracy. So if the people want to change gun laws, they do.
Exactly. Having lived in Europe, I can see how most Americans simply have no understanding of the social structure there.
Multiculturalism here is better tho, right?
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:10
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
What a surprise. You skipped over the part about the assault weapon ban again. Get these ridiculous guns out of our society. Even your armed guards can't handle them obviously.
No armed guards, haven’t you heard?
You skipped the ban again.
What are the specifics on the ban?
It expired in 2004 and a high percentage of LEOs support it because they fear facing people bearing ARs. The NRA has worked hard to make sure everyone can have ready access to assault rifles. Abbott signed into law an age reduction in Texas; Ramos bought his weapons soon after turning 18, whereas less than a year ago he’d have to have waited until he turned 21. I think 22 states currently ban assault rifles. However, the states that permit them are unbelievably unlikely to ever ban them if you look at overall patterns, which is part of why I’m dispirited by even the thought of joining a campaign. It really feels unimportant, to join other blue staters and not fundamentally accomplish anything that’ll make anyone, let alone red-state minors, safer.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:10
Subject: Re:Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
You know ANYTHInG about mental health services you’d know that a therapist cannot help a patient who doesn’t really want help.
The next hurdle is needing a patient willing to do the work. To change. To improve. To get good habits. To copy in positive not negative ways.
If you’re going the mental healthy route we frankly need to bring back institutions. And prob start with meds.
I remember when schools promoted positive family relationships. Seems to be the opposite now.
Half the parents don’t respond to teacher calls or ever visit the school.
They’re neglectful parents. Full stop.
Ship the kids off to school for breakfast until 4pm and do nothing else.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:07
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
If the deranged person doesn’t have a gun, there is NO NEED for a guard with a gun!
Well while you get that all sorted out, is it okay if guard the kids?
Look, deadly school shootings are the primary tool in the gun control debate. A sudden decrease in mass killings attributable to an increase in armed guards would be disastrous for our cause.
Bingo!
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:05
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
What a surprise. You skipped over the part about the assault weapon ban again. Get these ridiculous guns out of our society. Even your armed guards can't handle them obviously.
No armed guards, haven’t you heard?
You skipped the ban again.
What are the specifics on the ban?
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:04
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:
Gun free zones are a killer’s paradise.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:03
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Switzerland has a ton of guns per capita. But they are highly highly regulated (with strict background checks) and they haven’t had a mass shooting in 20 years. Let’s try their way!
As a Swiss I thought about that a lot. It boils out to a difference in mentality and social structure. We have troubled and violent young people too. They act out in many ways, but are have more social interactions and an overall healthier social fabric around them. Young men go to military service and then bring their service rifle home. They relationship to guns is not a passionate one. Rural people like to go the shooting range. But it stops there. Also we have a direct democracy. So if the people want to change gun laws, they do.
The direct democracy piece is the absolute key, isn’t it? Our American tragedies at this point feel utterly impossible to change because they’re structural. I would love to be wrong. I want to see change. I live in a blue-blue-blue area, so my voting tendencies are exactly the way things tend to go around me at the local and state levels. I’m imagination-depleted at this point, because I don’t see on the national level any ability - ANY - to fix this:
- EO cannot be used as a real remedy
- the composition of the SC won’t change, and Heller won’t be changed or contested
- the Senate is now on vacation
- nothing happened after Sandy Hook, Vegas, after Giffords was shot, after Scalise was shot (he was more fervent in his 2A support after nearly dying)
What on a practical level can someone like me, without massive funds to donate ala Rebecca Mercer, actually do? I don’t have family or friends to try and wheedle into reason who are red-state voters. The structure of electoral politics and federalism and minority rule make my voice a nothing. What can I do? I don’t want to be hectored, I want to be guided. I want to do anything that matters, beyond texting, small buck donations, and smugging with blue-wave Twitter dopes. I want the work to matter, even if it doesn’t succeed for a long time.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:03
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Switzerland has a ton of guns per capita. But they are highly highly regulated (with strict background checks) and they haven’t had a mass shooting in 20 years. Let’s try their way!
As a Swiss I thought about that a lot. It boils out to a difference in mentality and social structure. We have troubled and violent young people too. They act out in many ways, but are have more social interactions and an overall healthier social fabric around them. Young men go to military service and then bring their service rifle home. They relationship to guns is not a passionate one. Rural people like to go the shooting range. But it stops there. Also we have a direct democracy. So if the people want to change gun laws, they do.
Exactly. Having lived in Europe, I can see how most Americans simply have no understanding of the social structure there.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:01
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
What a surprise. You skipped over the part about the assault weapon ban again. Get these ridiculous guns out of our society. Even your armed guards can't handle them obviously.
No armed guards, haven’t you heard?
You skipped the ban again.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:00
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
If the deranged person doesn’t have a gun, there is NO NEED for a guard with a gun!
Well while you get that all sorted out, is it okay if guard the kids?
Look, deadly school shootings are the primary tool in the gun control debate. A sudden decrease in mass killings attributable to an increase in armed guards would be disastrous for our cause.
You are disgusting and you don't speak for "our" cause.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:00
Subject: Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Schools now HAVE 211 Billion unspent covid dollars. Let’s see if some of that can be used to get a highly trained armed guard in every public school that wants one. It could even be a veteran or retired cop. Why not?
Is there some company on here that is in the biz of supplying school guards? We want to get rid of the guns...not bring more of them into our schools. How many times do we need to say the same thing. Learn to read.
Why don't you want guards with guns in school again? Who is supposed to kill the deranged person before they shoot any kids? What are you expecting to happen if there is nobody there with a gun when the place is breached?
What a surprise. You skipped over the part about the assault weapon ban again. Get these ridiculous guns out of our society. Even your armed guards can't handle them obviously.
No armed guards, haven’t you heard?
Yes, people with guns often show up when children are being murdered inside.
I saw a video with lots of law enforcement standing outside with big big guns.
Anonymous
05/26/2022 23:00
Subject: Re:Another gunman, another elementary school
Anonymous wrote:
You know ANYTHInG about mental health services you’d know that a therapist cannot help a patient who doesn’t really want help.
The next hurdle is needing a patient willing to do the work. To change. To improve. To get good habits. To copy in positive not negative ways.
If you’re going the mental healthy route we frankly need to bring back institutions. And prob start with meds.
I remember when schools promoted positive family relationships. Seems to be the opposite now.