Anonymous
02/18/2020 15:43
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime will increase as unwanted children are born, according to the Freakonomics guys. There are many more societal ills than benefits when you force women to have a baby.
Then why not kill all the unwanted kids too? Heck, let’s include the useless adults too. I mean as long as it’s their mom deciding, it’d be ok, right? Round ‘em up and crush their heads and throw ‘me in the bio-disposal can. It’d all be very convenient for the rest of us now wouldn’t it, unless of course you were one of the useless ones ...
Anyhow, to me it is not a matter of choice. It is a matter of when (scientifically) a human life begins. Before then, destroy the zygote or fetus or whatever it is at your convenience, but after that point, whether the child is still in the womb or not, it is murder. Period. Take the religious, emotional and “woman” rights arguments away and base the law upon science.
You can actually physically separate a child from its mother; you cannot physically separate a fetus from the mother. If a mother does not want a child she can hand him over to authorities. If she does not want a fetus in her body and it is not viable; that life is dependent on her and is inside her body and it is her right to decide whether she wants that.
Pregnancy is still dangerous. Many women still die giving birth. If a woman does not want to carry a baby; that’s where the line is regarding whose rights matter more. Mind you fetuses are becoming viable earlier and earlier due to technology. It’s not that complicated of a concept.
The life is still dependent upon the parents, even after it is born. It can't give itself nutrition after it is born.
A baby who has been born does not need either of its biological parents to be the ones giving it nutrition. You’d think the people who are always beating the drum that adoption is the solution to unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t need that explained to them.
Then don't use "the baby is dependent upon her" as a justification for the right to end it's life.
THE FETUS IS DEPENDENT ON HER. Are you daft?
NO. I am not daft. My point is that the fetus is also dependent on her AFTER it is born. ALSO.
The is fetus is dependent on the particular woman in whose uterus it resides. A baby is dependent on any adult that takes care of it.
If and when a fetal transplant is possible I would expect you to be the first to sign up to receive one.
I'd rather do that, than end it's life.
Really? How many children have you adopted?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 15:42
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
Why should the woman wait until her life is in danger? Isn’t that too late? Who determines whether the woman’s life is in danger? What if the woman has pre-parting depression and is suicidal?
What about the fact that pregnancy changes your body and your health forever?
What is the woman is raped? Who determines whether a rape actually occrred? Or better yet, who determines whether a miscarriage occurs?
Did you know that there are women who have been improsoned in America for a miscarriage?
Abortion is a decision that should be between the woman and her doctor. Why do you want government bureaucrats to get involved?
Yes, there are situations where the mother's well being should be considered. However, it is wrong for abortion to be used as a matter of convenience.
I’m not talking about “matters of convenience.” Do you think living with a pregnancy that is a result of rape is a matter of convenience? Do you think someone’s health, mental state, career, is a matter of convenience?
Don’t bother responding if you are not addressing people’s points. Address these issues if you want me to understand that this is not about punishing women. Because when you characterize pregnancy as an “inconvenience” as opposed to a life and death matter, you are trivializing the reality of carrying a pregnancy to term.
I’m not talking
Read the first part of my sentence, bolded above.
Why do YOU, or the president, or a government bureaucrat, get to decide what’s best for a woman’s well being and not the woman herself? Are you saying that a woman can figure out whether to keep the pregnancy or not?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:37
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime will increase as unwanted children are born, according to the Freakonomics guys. There are many more societal ills than benefits when you force women to have a baby.
Then why not kill all the unwanted kids too? Heck, let’s include the useless adults too. I mean as long as it’s their mom deciding, it’d be ok, right? Round ‘em up and crush their heads and throw ‘me in the bio-disposal can. It’d all be very convenient for the rest of us now wouldn’t it, unless of course you were one of the useless ones ...
Anyhow, to me it is not a matter of choice. It is a matter of when (scientifically) a human life begins. Before then, destroy the zygote or fetus or whatever it is at your convenience, but after that point, whether the child is still in the womb or not, it is murder. Period. Take the religious, emotional and “woman” rights arguments away and base the law upon science.
You can actually physically separate a child from its mother; you cannot physically separate a fetus from the mother. If a mother does not want a child she can hand him over to authorities. If she does not want a fetus in her body and it is not viable; that life is dependent on her and is inside her body and it is her right to decide whether she wants that.
Pregnancy is still dangerous. Many women still die giving birth. If a woman does not want to carry a baby; that’s where the line is regarding whose rights matter more. Mind you fetuses are becoming viable earlier and earlier due to technology. It’s not that complicated of a concept.
The life is still dependent upon the parents, even after it is born. It can't give itself nutrition after it is born.
A baby who has been born does not need either of its biological parents to be the ones giving it nutrition. You’d think the people who are always beating the drum that adoption is the solution to unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t need that explained to them.
Then don't use "the baby is dependent upon her" as a justification for the right to end it's life.
THE FETUS IS DEPENDENT ON HER. Are you daft?
NO. I am not daft. My point is that the fetus is also dependent on her AFTER it is born. ALSO.
The is fetus is dependent on the particular woman in whose uterus it resides. A baby is dependent on any adult that takes care of it.
If and when a fetal transplant is possible I would expect you to be the first to sign up to receive one.
I'd rather do that, than end it's life.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:28
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Crime will increase as unwanted children are born, according to the Freakonomics guys. There are many more societal ills than benefits when you force women to have a baby.
Then why not kill all the unwanted kids too? Heck, let’s include the useless adults too. I mean as long as it’s their mom deciding, it’d be ok, right? Round ‘em up and crush their heads and throw ‘me in the bio-disposal can. It’d all be very convenient for the rest of us now wouldn’t it, unless of course you were one of the useless ones ...
Anyhow, to me it is not a matter of choice. It is a matter of when (scientifically) a human life begins. Before then, destroy the zygote or fetus or whatever it is at your convenience, but after that point, whether the child is still in the womb or not, it is murder. Period. Take the religious, emotional and “woman” rights arguments away and base the law upon science.
You can actually physically separate a child from its mother; you cannot physically separate a fetus from the mother. If a mother does not want a child she can hand him over to authorities. If she does not want a fetus in her body and it is not viable; that life is dependent on her and is inside her body and it is her right to decide whether she wants that.
Pregnancy is still dangerous. Many women still die giving birth. If a woman does not want to carry a baby; that’s where the line is regarding whose rights matter more. Mind you fetuses are becoming viable earlier and earlier due to technology. It’s not that complicated of a concept.
The life is still dependent upon the parents, even after it is born. It can't give itself nutrition after it is born.
A baby who has been born does not need either of its biological parents to be the ones giving it nutrition. You’d think the people who are always beating the drum that adoption is the solution to unplanned pregnancy wouldn’t need that explained to them.
Then don't use "the baby is dependent upon her" as a justification for the right to end it's life.
THE FETUS IS DEPENDENT ON HER. Are you daft?
NO. I am not daft. My point is that the fetus is also dependent on her AFTER it is born. ALSO.
The is fetus is dependent on the particular woman in whose uterus it resides. A baby is dependent on any adult that takes care of it.
If and when a fetal transplant is possible I would expect you to be the first to sign up to receive one.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:25
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Abortion is an act of violence.
Why perpetrate violence on women?
Even more violent is pushing a full term child out of your vagina. Have you ever done it?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:22
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
If you get rid of laws allowing abortion, a lot more mothers’ lives will be in danger.
Why doesn’t the aborted baby even get a chance to live on?
I could ask the same about an actual child who needs one of your kidneys or part of your liver to survive. Why can’t the government force you to donate your body so others might live?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:19
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:
Abortion is an act of violence.
Why perpetrate violence on women?
No - forcing a woman to do something with her body against her will is violence against women. Forcing a woman to get a back-alley abortion and die from bleeding or infection is violence against women.
Why do you hate women so much?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:17
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^.... and back around to slut shaming.
No. In other aspects of our society we tell others that they need to be responsible for their actions. Why is this any different?
Why is having an abortion not taking responsibility for one’s actions?
It is avoiding the responsibility of raising the child that those two people created.
On the contrary, it's the most responsible thing someone can do.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 14:04
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
If you get rid of laws allowing abortion, a lot more mothers’ lives will be in danger.
Why doesn’t the aborted baby even get a chance to live on?
I could ask the same of the potential babies you shed every month when you get your period.
Why didn't you do more to ensure your eggs were fertilized and brought to term?
No you couldn't.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:44
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
If you get rid of laws allowing abortion, a lot more mothers’ lives will be in danger.
Why doesn’t the aborted baby even get a chance to live on?
I could ask the same of the potential babies you shed every month when you get your period.
Why didn't you do more to ensure your eggs were fertilized and brought to term?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:35
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
Why should the woman wait until her life is in danger? Isn’t that too late? Who determines whether the woman’s life is in danger? What if the woman has pre-parting depression and is suicidal?
What about the fact that pregnancy changes your body and your health forever?
What is the woman is raped? Who determines whether a rape actually occrred? Or better yet, who determines whether a miscarriage occurs?
Did you know that there are women who have been improsoned in America for a miscarriage?
Abortion is a decision that should be between the woman and her doctor. Why do you want government bureaucrats to get involved?
Yes, there are situations where the mother's well being should be considered. However, it is wrong for abortion to be used as a matter of convenience.
I’m not talking about “matters of convenience.” Do you think living with a pregnancy that is a result of rape is a matter of convenience? Do you think someone’s health, mental state, career, is a matter of convenience?
Don’t bother responding if you are not addressing people’s points. Address these issues if you want me to understand that this is not about punishing women. Because when you characterize pregnancy as an “inconvenience” as opposed to a life and death matter, you are trivializing the reality of carrying a pregnancy to term.
I’m not talking
Read the first part of my sentence, bolded above.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:35
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
If you get rid of laws allowing abortion, a lot more mothers’ lives will be in danger.
Why doesn’t the aborted baby even get a chance to live on?
Because it is inside someone else’s body. That person’s life and health are more important.
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:34
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
Why should the woman wait until her life is in danger? Isn’t that too late? Who determines whether the woman’s life is in danger? What if the woman has pre-parting depression and is suicidal?
What about the fact that pregnancy changes your body and your health forever?
What is the woman is raped? Who determines whether a rape actually occrred? Or better yet, who determines whether a miscarriage occurs?
Did you know that there are women who have been improsoned in America for a miscarriage?
Abortion is a decision that should be between the woman and her doctor. Why do you want government bureaucrats to get involved?
Yes, there are situations where the mother's well being should be considered. However, it is wrong for abortion to be used as a matter of convenience.
I’m not talking about “matters of convenience.” Do you think living with a pregnancy that is a result of rape is a matter of convenience? Do you think someone’s health, mental state, career, is a matter of convenience?
Don’t bother responding if you are not addressing people’s points. Address these issues if you want me to understand that this is not about punishing women. Because when you characterize pregnancy as an “inconvenience” as opposed to a life and death matter, you are trivializing the reality of carrying a pregnancy to term.
I’m not talking
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:29
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You're missing the part where the woman was a slut and therefore HAS to take care of the baby as punishment.
Pro-life = babies are the punishment for sex.
FOR WOMEN, not men. Remember it’s about punishing WOMEN for having sex.
Au contraire....the person that does not want the baby seems to be viewing it as a punishment....
Why should you carry a pregnancy and risk death of you do not want to?
Isn’t having your freedom impeded considered a punishment in this country?
There are lots of things we are not free to do in this country...doesn't mean we are being punished.
Would death qualify as a punishment to you? Do you understand that the US has the highest maternal mortality rate of any developed nation?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
No. If I die from cancer, I am not being punished.
If someone prevented you from removing cancer or whatever was causing you pain or suffering, isn’t that a punishment?
My mother is a physician from a country where abortions were illegal. She watched a mother of 3 bleed out and die from a botched abortion and supported choice thereafter. Do we need to have that happen in the US?
Our laws allow for abortions where the life of mother is in danger.
If you get rid of laws allowing abortion, a lot more mothers’ lives will be in danger.
Why doesn’t the aborted baby even get a chance to live on?
Anonymous
02/18/2020 13:25
Subject: Official Abortion Thread
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:^.... and back around to slut shaming.
No. In other aspects of our society we tell others that they need to be responsible for their actions. Why is this any different?
Why is having an abortion not taking responsibility for one’s actions?
It is avoiding the responsibility of raising the child that those two people created.