Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:52
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
The Los Angeles prep schools (Sierra Canyon, Crossroads, etc.) are huge for athletes (some get scholarships, some have parents that move for the schools, etc.) and known recruiting areas for schools. So that probably made it easier for these kids to fake their way into sports scholarships.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:51
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
EXACTLY!
+1
Agreed. But, athletes bring in tons of money for the universities, so coaches are given more discretion than they should have. That is what needs to be eliminated.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:49
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:WSJ
Original tipster who led federal authorities to the biggest college-admissions scam they’ve ever prosecuted was Morrie Tobin, a Los Angeles resident who was being investigated in a securities fraud case, according to a person familiar with the investigation.
Mr. Tobin was being questioned in an alleged pump-and-dump investment scheme—in which people conspire to inflate the price of a stock so they can sell it at a profit—when he offered a tip to federal authorities in an effort to obtain leniency, according to people familiar with the matter.
The financial executive, who attended Yale University, told investigators that the head women’s soccer coach at Yale had sought a bribe in return for getting his daughter into the Ivy League school.
So an alleged Ivy League scam artist dropped this dime on hundreds of families to get himself out of trouble. Wow.
You're surprised that dishonest people will out other dishonest people to get themselves out of trouble? Color me shocked.
x10000
Nailed it.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:48
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
EXACTLY!
You can stop it when low scoring athletes stop outperforming the other students in life.
By what measure?
Wealth and influence - Buffett, Gates, Jobs, Bezos, Oprah (not athletes)
Supreme Court justices - no athletes there either
Presidents - not in the last 50 years
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:46
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
EXACTLY!
You can stop it when low scoring athletes stop outperforming the other students in life.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:41
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how the FBI found out. And now we know.. There's a paywall, but you can read the first few lines...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-yale-dad-who-set-off-the-college-admissions-scandal-11552588402
Basically, one of the bribers offered up this tidbit in exchange for leniency for another law he broke -- pumping and dumping stocks.
The rich law breakers turning on each other. I love it.
+1
Of course they turn their back on each other! I am shocked (not really) that they are so stupid as to not expect it. No different than the neighborhood gossip, really - it they do it with you, they will do it to you, every time. These people are so ridiculously stupid to trust each other, its pathetic.
It's like no one has ever watched Law&Order or the Sopranos.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:41
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
EXACTLY!
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:41
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Two college students suing some of those schools and the ringleader. I was wondering when someone would sue those schools.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/two-stanford-students-file-first-133412573.html
Well thousands and thousands of parents and students could sue for fraud. They should refund application fees for everyone that applied in the last 10 years and did not get in. All the real high scoring applicants that are told there are just not enough spots for all the smart kids- well that has taken on new meaning.
Should we sue the College Board and ACT for abuse of the extended time accommodations? All tests should be untimed - enough of abuse by the wealthy. Level the playing field for EVERYONE- no more accommodations for extra time or calculators- give EVERYONE unlimited time and calculators.
While we're at it, just give everyone THE ANSWERS, already!
See? Why is anyone resisting in giving every kid unlimited time? We will truly be testing knowledge of the materials. No more abuse.
The SATs are a weird combo of testing for intelligence and testing for knowledge. Processing speed is one of the key components of intelligence. Math, grammar, and vocabulary are knowledge. The ability to retrieve memorized info quickly is considered another form of intelligence. That said, kids who truly have processing speed or other issues should get extra time.
Can you imagine a world where all kids feel like they need to stay all day (until 5pm closing?) at the test center so they don’t do worse than the kids who ARE staying all day? The SATs effectively become a 9-hour test instead of a 3-hour test. Don’t think that fixes anything for either challenged or not-challenged kids.
Processing speed and IQ are different things. Some are combining them but they are not. My child has processing issues but an good IQ. Does ok to well on standardized tests. Not sure if extra time will help. School sucks and will not work with us.
Plus, either you know it or you don't. And if you don't, then staring at the question until 5:00 will not make the answer magically pop into your head. Speed of writing down the answer that did pop into your head immediately is part of what we are talking about here. Why do we care how long it takes to fill in the bubble when someone knows the answer?
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:41
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
I attended Harvard with Mark Riddell, the test taker.
He was smart and a tennis star at Harvard and good looking. I don't know why he had to do this, he could have gone to wall street and made money and hobnobbed with the rich.
He was smart and a tennis star at Harvard and good looking. I don't know why he had to do this, he could have gone to wall street and made money and hobnobbed with the rich.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:40
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:I was wondering how the FBI found out. And now we know.. There's a paywall, but you can read the first few lines...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-yale-dad-who-set-off-the-college-admissions-scandal-11552588402
Basically, one of the bribers offered up this tidbit in exchange for leniency for another law he broke -- pumping and dumping stocks.
The rich law breakers turning on each other. I love it.
+1
Of course they turn their back on each other! I am shocked (not really) that they are so stupid as to not expect it. No different than the neighborhood gossip, really - it they do it with you, they will do it to you, every time. These people are so ridiculously stupid to trust each other, its pathetic.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:40
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand the naysayers - can’t leave early: we’ll, if you revamp the exam to that one can, why not?. Those who stay behind - hey, that is a choice they made.
Are you naysayers saying you prefer the system today that openly discriminates the poorer kids, inner city kids, disabled kids who don’t the proper time accommodation and would prefer the current system that can be abused by wealthy families?
This. Give everyone the same time and let the ones done early leave.
The TRULY exceptional kids can then brag that not only did they get a perfect score, they left with XXX hours to spare. They will take pride in not staying the entire time.
You don’t understand strivers. Plenty of kids in the TJ and Blair magnets will stay until the bitter end checking and re-checking their answers. Because their peers are and it’s an arms race. I had a kid in one of these places.
Meanwhile, kids with low processing speeds now have the same exact time as the Blair and TJ kids. Why is this helpful?
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:37
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Oh, look, nothing to see here, just that one of the richest (and what do you bet most prominent) in this scandal is avoiding being named. And their daughter is a current student at Yale!
The initial tip led investigators to Rudy Meredith, the head coach of women’s soccer at Yale. He had worked with Mr. Singer in January 2018 to get the daughter of a California family into Yale by pretending she was a soccer player, according to prosecutors. The family paid Mr. Singer $1.2 million, according to the affidavit; Mr. Meredith’s share was $400,000. The family wasn’t identified. Mr. Meredith didn’t respond to requests for comment.
The tipster parent has not been charged in the college case.
So this is just the tip of the iceberg. Can't wait to see who else falls. Every single one of these people more than deserves it. It's one thing to exaggerate your kid's abilities or intelligence--it's another thing to completely falsify them. No wonder the rich keep getting richer.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:37
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Olivia Jade went to Marymount, the all girls Catholic school in LA.
What's sad is Felicity Huffman's daughters (At least one of them) went to LA High School of the Arts, which is a public magnet school for the arts. I wonder whether she took a spot from a more deserving middle-class or working-class without celebrity parents?
What's sad is Felicity Huffman's daughters (At least one of them) went to LA High School of the Arts, which is a public magnet school for the arts. I wonder whether she took a spot from a more deserving middle-class or working-class without celebrity parents?
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:36
Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Among the Singer clients, most used the fake athlete approach and didn't fake their SATs.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
How do we shut down that preference, which literally makes no sense in higher education? Let the best students compete in sports once admitted, but why do coaches have ANY role in the admissions process.
Anonymous
03/14/2019 16:34
Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Oh, look, nothing to see here, just that one of the richest (and what do you bet most prominent) in this scandal is avoiding being named. And their daughter is a current student at Yale!
The initial tip led investigators to Rudy Meredith, the head coach of women’s soccer at Yale. He had worked with Mr. Singer in January 2018 to get the daughter of a California family into Yale by pretending she was a soccer player, according to prosecutors. The family paid Mr. Singer $1.2 million, according to the affidavit; Mr. Meredith’s share was $400,000. The family wasn’t identified. Mr. Meredith didn’t respond to requests for comment.
The tipster parent has not been charged in the college case.