Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 13:18     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As an OTES parent I’d selfishly vote for 1 as it keeps our MS/HS right next to eachother, Otherwise I guess it looks like Sligo MS/Einstein HS for us.

Am I naive enough to assume they’re taking into consideration immersion programs (which OTES has) and how that may flow to a new MS? I believe Newport Mills just got set up for biliteracy.


Fellow OTES parent here. It does not look like these options take the immersion program into consideration. I am (perhaps naively) hopeful this will get flagged soon in the process.


Agree - as an OTES parent I am in favor of 1 so we don’t lose the hard work parents did to get continued immersion into middle school. What is the most effective way to get this message to the right people?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 13:11     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?


Option 3 is a pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor. It also does ok on utilization, which only Option 2 achieves as well with massive split articulations . I do not think Option 3 is unserious. I could see it being the starting point for refined options.


A pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor would not reassign current walkers to become long bus riders. That is not reasonable by MCPS's own statements. If students are already riding a bus for +/- 30 minutes, then I have no problem with them being reassigned to a different bus route/school. But walkers should stay walkers, and board members have been saying this all along.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 13:11     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?


Option 3 is a pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor. It also does ok on utilization, which only Option 2 achieves as well with massive split articulations . I do not think Option 3 is unserious. I could see it being the starting point for refined options.


Aren't all of them the starting points for refined options?


According to the website, yes. According to some people on this thread, no.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 13:08     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?


Option 3 is a pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor. It also does ok on utilization, which only Option 2 achieves as well with massive split articulations . I do not think Option 3 is unserious. I could see it being the starting point for refined options.


Aren't all of them the starting points for refined options?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 13:00     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
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What changes does option 3 bring for you and the people you know?


I have yet to see a single person actually affected meaningfully by option 3 in favor of option 3. It’s all people who think they know what’s best for other people’s kids.



I’m affected positively by option 3. My kids (very very young not even in school yet) would go from Wheaton to WJ. And it’s not really that far from us either. But I know that’s selfish - it really does seem like a ridiculous option that negatively impacts so many others so I realize it will likely not happen like it is drawn up


Yeah. Our kids are in the part of SCES moved from Northwood to Blair so I would also like that.


But option 3 for that part of SCES also means a change of SSIMS to Eastern at the middle school level. I'm not convinced that's a positive impact for kids from SCES.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:56     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?


Option 3 is a pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor. It also does ok on utilization, which only Option 2 achieves as well with massive split articulations . I do not think Option 3 is unserious. I could see it being the starting point for refined options.


I agree that people should take Option 3 seriously And make their preferences known. I don’t think the person on this board screaming that Option 3 isn’t real should be given much credence.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:54     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?


Option 3 is a pretty reasonable effort to prioritize the demographics factor. It also does ok on utilization, which only Option 2 achieves as well with massive split articulations . I do not think Option 3 is unserious. I could see it being the starting point for refined options.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:52     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
More helpful background info from MCPS consultants, from the county wide study. Not so long ago. We paid for it as taxpayers, might as well read it!

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:49     Subject: Re:Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:99% of these comments come down to

Our school is great because of it's diversity and we don't care what you think of it but we are all aboard the "send some kids to your school" train. Wink wink to which kids we are talking about

Or

We like our school as it is because we paid a premium to avoid your problems that you proclaim to love


Got it nobody wants to give up the good stuff but is open to offloading problems but it seems that most people on both sides agree what the problems are. The DCC feels the pinch of their proximity to poverty concentration and the decades of eye rolls and ridicule have created a us VS them midframe with the poor schools have nothing to lose with just about any redistribution plan as they have most of the FARMs now. The more impacted the good schools are by any plan the DCC sees it as closing the gap at best and just petty revenge at worst. That said the Ws have been granted special status for a long time and that gets harder to justify with modern optics.

But look at Whitman area though, you would have to get very creative to add poverty. That whole side of the Metro area is wealthy and butts up to the richest parts of VA and DC, it will never be as poor as the best Silver Spring School. Same for Churchill and a lesser extent BCC, there simply is no magic bullet the school system can apply to fix a population that has self segregated into a rich side and a poor side. What everybody is doing here is arguing about the demilitarized zone a mile or two east and west of Conn Ave


It is amusing that none of the options move any of the Whitman super rich to other schools. Did any of them get rezoned to WJ or schools west?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:47     Subject: Re:Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:99% of these comments come down to

Our school is great because of it's diversity and we don't care what you think of it but we are all aboard the "send some kids to your school" train. Wink wink to which kids we are talking about

Or

We like our school as it is because we paid a premium to avoid your problems that you proclaim to love


Got it nobody wants to give up the good stuff but is open to offloading problems but it seems that most people on both sides agree what the problems are. The DCC feels the pinch of their proximity to poverty concentration and the decades of eye rolls and ridicule have created a us VS them midframe with the poor schools have nothing to lose with just about any redistribution plan as they have most of the FARMs now. The more impacted the good schools are by any plan the DCC sees it as closing the gap at best and just petty revenge at worst. That said the Ws have been granted special status for a long time and that gets harder to justify with modern optics.

But look at Whitman area though, you would have to get very creative to add poverty. That whole side of the Metro area is wealthy and butts up to the richest parts of VA and DC, it will never be as poor as the best Silver Spring School. Same for Churchill and a lesser extent BCC, there simply is no magic bullet the school system can apply to fix a population that has self segregated into a rich side and a poor side. What everybody is doing here is arguing about the demilitarized zone a mile or two east and west of Conn Ave


I live in the DCC and my child attends and ES. The other parents I've spoken with do not actually feel strongly about any of these options since in our case there would be no change in the HS. MS could change and there are some questions people have about that but no real angst, just curiosity.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:46     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I like the option 3. It tries to bring much needed diversity in many schools.


WJ becomes 30%, Woodward 50% and Whitman 20% FARMS?

MCPS needs to calculate bus time and see if it's practical. As long as bus rude is not longer than 20-25 minutes, it will work. Longer than than is impractical.


What is current FARMS in WJ?


19.8 according to their charts. WJ is a wonderful, diverse school with many high performing students. That’s why it’s so overcrowded, unfortunately


I'm sure WJ is wonderful and diverse, but the reason it is overcrowded is that large swaths of the area (say, Kensington) don't value diversity so much they'd have their kid walk to say, Einstein.
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:44     Subject: Re:Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
99% of these comments come down to

Our school is great because of it's diversity and we don't care what you think of it but we are all aboard the "send some kids to your school" train. Wink wink to which kids we are talking about

Or

We like our school as it is because we paid a premium to avoid your problems that you proclaim to love


Got it nobody wants to give up the good stuff but is open to offloading problems but it seems that most people on both sides agree what the problems are. The DCC feels the pinch of their proximity to poverty concentration and the decades of eye rolls and ridicule have created a us VS them midframe with the poor schools have nothing to lose with just about any redistribution plan as they have most of the FARMs now. The more impacted the good schools are by any plan the DCC sees it as closing the gap at best and just petty revenge at worst. That said the Ws have been granted special status for a long time and that gets harder to justify with modern optics.

But look at Whitman area though, you would have to get very creative to add poverty. That whole side of the Metro area is wealthy and butts up to the richest parts of VA and DC, it will never be as poor as the best Silver Spring School. Same for Churchill and a lesser extent BCC, there simply is no magic bullet the school system can apply to fix a population that has self segregated into a rich side and a poor side. What everybody is doing here is arguing about the demilitarized zone a mile or two east and west of Conn Ave
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:41     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
“It could be even more insane”
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:38     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.


Ok. What’s your point?
Anonymous
Post 06/03/2025 12:30     Subject: Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Option 3 had prioritized balancing demographics over everything else it would look a lot crazier than it currently does.


….thats what Flo Analytics says it does, so feel free to take it up with them.


I mean it's obvious. Why didn't they send Potomac to Kennedy? Use your brain.