Anonymous wrote:Anyone on here know how many girls will be on the second 2013 girls team? I think the coach is Al?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.

Wow. I hope you're not Coach. I guess why parents should spend the money for a non-developmental program. Are you saying, based on low expectations for development its best to stay away from 4th and 5th teams?

Nobody should be paying 1st/2nd team prices for 3rd teams or beyond, nor should clubs really push that but thats not the reality of club soccer in America as a business. If a kid gets an offer for the 3rd team or beyond anywhere, rec soccer is likely a better option.

But if they are paying $3000 and Team 1 kid is paying $3000, shouldn't they be hiring and paying the same level coaches for both groups?

There aren't enough qualified individuals to fill that many coaching positions, nor is there pathway for individuals to get credentials easily at a low cost.

If you pay enough, you can attract good coaches. I don't know how they seem able to fill the jobs for the higher teams with qualified coaches but not the lower teams. They should charge less for teams that get less.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.

Wow. I hope you're not Coach. I guess why parents should spend the money for a non-developmental program. Are you saying, based on low expectations for development its best to stay away from 4th and 5th teams?

Nobody should be paying 1st/2nd team prices for 3rd teams or beyond, nor should clubs really push that but thats not the reality of club soccer in America as a business. If a kid gets an offer for the 3rd team or beyond anywhere, rec soccer is likely a better option.

But if they are paying $3000 and Team 1 kid is paying $3000, shouldn't they be hiring and paying the same level coaches for both groups?

There aren't enough qualified individuals to fill that many coaching positions, nor is there pathway for individuals to get credentials easily at a low cost.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.

Wow. I hope you're not Coach. I guess why parents should spend the money for a non-developmental program. Are you saying, based on low expectations for development its best to stay away from 4th and 5th teams?

Nobody should be paying 1st/2nd team prices for 3rd teams or beyond, nor should clubs really push that but thats not the reality of club soccer in America as a business. If a kid gets an offer for the 3rd team or beyond anywhere, rec soccer is likely a better option.

But if they are paying $3000 and Team 1 kid is paying $3000, shouldn't they be hiring and paying the same level coaches for both groups?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.

Wow. I hope you're not Coach. I guess why parents should spend the money for a non-developmental program. Are you saying, based on low expectations for development its best to stay away from 4th and 5th teams?

Nobody should be paying 1st/2nd team prices for 3rd teams or beyond, nor should clubs really push that but thats not the reality of club soccer in America as a business. If a kid gets an offer for the 3rd team or beyond anywhere, rec soccer is likely a better option.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.

Wow. I hope you're not Coach. I guess why parents should spend the money for a non-developmental program. Are you saying, based on low expectations for development its best to stay away from 4th and 5th teams?

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Anonymous wrote:The Valor 2011G coaches are very much the same caliber I thought. Both with lots of experience at the club level and both with state championships coaching high school teams.
As to offers being sent, I don't know anything besides my own child. I try to avoid drama (laughable in travel soccer I know).

So your child received an offer for the second team this morning? That's interesting. They send the first and second team offers out simultaneously?

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone go to 2012 boys tryouts? What's the opinion of the club in this age group? I have a 2012 boy who was on the lower field of play, we're coming from CYA rec.

My understanding is most of the current 2012 Silver team (the lowest team) was a CYA rec team (maybe a CYA all star team) and the coach was the rec coach. I have also heard that team is actually better than the 3rd team but that was from a silver parent. I guess that 4th team is now the black team. So they have four teams, it should be easy to get a spot but not sure a spot you want.

Yes - the talent gap between the top 2 teams and the bottom 2 teams is pretty wide. The silver team (4th team/future black team) is I would say almost equal to the 3rd team but a long way from the 2nd team and longer way to the top team (current gold/next year ecnl-r). The fourth team plays in the lowest NCSL division but has a chance at promotion. Someone posted a link to the NCSL schedule/results in the last few pages of this thread.

Pretty typical. The tryouts at this club are a joke. They already know who is going to be on the number 1 and 2 teams.

-Lots of nepotism. Good luck folks if you haven't already been preparing to make a move.

-If Valor is going to make more than 3 teams, your changing age groups, it's likely that 4th or 5th teams will never be in a higher level of play or division.
-I'd ask about how well their 4th and 5th teams did. Lots of smoke and mirrors.

No one expects the 4th and 5th level teams to do well. I mean, come on. They are developmental.